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RPG Codex Interview: Chris Avellone on Pillars Cut Content, Game Development Hierarchies and More
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Do you know how much Obsidian paid to Feargus' wife? If she just got the normal salary like other grunts doing the work she was supposedly doing, according to my friend, it's not a problem, but if she got paid exorbitant salary, comparable for his own CEO salary, then it might be illegal, depending on how they handled it.
Also found this: http://www.wsrp.com/tax-smart-strategy-hire-spouse/
You must mistake Feargus for Fargo. Fargo ran Interplay, Feargus ran a division of Interplay called Black Isle, you might have heard about it?
Edmund Spenser
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You say this as if it wasn't the best part of the thread!
Of course they do if such emails even exist. Even if Avellone has them, he would be stupid to show them. Accusation like that might lead to a courtcase if Obsidian and their lawyer think that Avellone doesn't have any evidence to back his claim.
So he might be leading them onto a trap here. (If you believe such conversation even went down in the first place)
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Since we've moved into a literature direction in this thread...
Oh, a typo... guess I'll just go back and do it all over again. HTML DID THIS TO ME!
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Edmund Spenser
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Updated my shitposting
Jason Liang
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Plug the Codex this time, thx!
Oh, a typo... guess I'll just go back and do it all over again. HTML DID THIS TO ME!
Latro
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best parts of this thread is when MCA goes to sleep or does something else, a variety of people come in trying to suck up the attention from his void
this thread will be very valuable for forum historian-psychologists in the future
this thread will be very valuable for forum historian-psychologists in the future
Just skip the Codexian posts and search for MCA. If you have read 70 pages, you have seen everything the Codex has to offer.
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felipepepe
Thanks for batting on my side here, but really nothing serious about my avatar. It was funny as hell. SO if DarkUnderlord is really to blame here, its to make it permanent until Chris Avellone decides when my punishment is over. Till then I will be the Prometheus whose face is eaten by darkness only to leave the nose behind.
The interesting thing is that I changed it to Chris Avellone 's avatar only to show support. I had no particular motive to cause trouble. No one has to believe that, but it is true. In fact, I like Chris Avellone 's work quite a bit and I want to see that he gets Justice at the end of all this. When a few people complained about the avatar, I ignored them (or rather the other way round) because I thought they were below average Int scores who could not tell who was writing those posts from an infinite number of giveaways. But regardless, when I was approached personally to change it, I finally gave in and changed it myself. It was after that for lulz value that I became a disembodied nose.
About the shitposting debate here, I agree with you 100%. It is quite clear, and I brought it up myself a couple of times, that certain people can not contain their ideological biases from contaminating every single incidence. Which itself is quite a giveaway. How can every single event in the world justify your worldview? But then, things being as they are I would not banhammer them or tag them just for that. I was rather surprised that in the codex tradition Infinitron simply did not excise them out. Whether that was bias or not, I care not to comment.
Finally, I would say that this thread has made quite a few perspectives clear: there is a side that is totally fanboyish in Chris Avellone 's support. There is a skeptical but supportive side (I hope to belong to that) and then there is a purely skeptical but antagonistic side. All these views are okay and even IHaveHugeNick (but lacks other significant appendages) guy, despite being so mad at me, is actually making sense from a certain point of view. This is just debate and debate needs to happen so progress can be made.
Thanks for batting on my side here, but really nothing serious about my avatar. It was funny as hell. SO if DarkUnderlord is really to blame here, its to make it permanent until Chris Avellone decides when my punishment is over. Till then I will be the Prometheus whose face is eaten by darkness only to leave the nose behind.
The interesting thing is that I changed it to Chris Avellone 's avatar only to show support. I had no particular motive to cause trouble. No one has to believe that, but it is true. In fact, I like Chris Avellone 's work quite a bit and I want to see that he gets Justice at the end of all this. When a few people complained about the avatar, I ignored them (or rather the other way round) because I thought they were below average Int scores who could not tell who was writing those posts from an infinite number of giveaways. But regardless, when I was approached personally to change it, I finally gave in and changed it myself. It was after that for lulz value that I became a disembodied nose.
About the shitposting debate here, I agree with you 100%. It is quite clear, and I brought it up myself a couple of times, that certain people can not contain their ideological biases from contaminating every single incidence. Which itself is quite a giveaway. How can every single event in the world justify your worldview? But then, things being as they are I would not banhammer them or tag them just for that. I was rather surprised that in the codex tradition Infinitron simply did not excise them out. Whether that was bias or not, I care not to comment.
Finally, I would say that this thread has made quite a few perspectives clear: there is a side that is totally fanboyish in Chris Avellone 's support. There is a skeptical but supportive side (I hope to belong to that) and then there is a purely skeptical but antagonistic side. All these views are okay and even IHaveHugeNick (but lacks other significant appendages) guy, despite being so mad at me, is actually making sense from a certain point of view. This is just debate and debate needs to happen so progress can be made.
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Pfft, git gud.
That goodreads list is the most shocking thing to be revealed in this thread.
Consider:
Feargus is a terrible manager with a fragile ego and the emotional impusle control of a mad dog? Hey, bosses like that are a dime a dozen.
Feargus and Parker have committed atrocities against the genre? The details are surprising, but we knew something like this was happening.
Chris was treated worse than you’d treat a dog? Again, we see this all the time in sports: franchise players occasionally get treated like crap because your team has a really bad GM.
Feargus’ reading list is something else altogether. It’s as though FU is deliberately trying to read every shitty, self-published, $2.99 piece of trash that Amazon tries to foist off on me in its “Sponsored Products” list. I could see someone reading a lot of SF/F who happens to read this garbage in addition to some decent books. But FU’s list is 90% trash, at least. When the best authors on your goodreads page are David Weber and L.E. Modesitt, something has gone seriously wrong. That’s no knock on either author (I had a fondness for both as a teenager but can’t stomach their recent stuff, or Weber’s older stuff in retrospect) they’re just not what anyone would describe as top tier.
His taste isn’t just bad, it’s legendary. Chris Avellone, we’d all be very interested to hear what he recommended to you. Like it or not, you’re an accomplished fantasy author/editor yourself (I know, I know—you’re a designer!). The thought of Feargus telling you to read some self-published paranormal romance novel had me laughing out loud. It’s like telling Guy Gavriel Kay to read some third-rate Tolkien knockoff: “bro, I wrote the Silmarillion.”
Consider:
Feargus is a terrible manager with a fragile ego and the emotional impusle control of a mad dog? Hey, bosses like that are a dime a dozen.
Feargus and Parker have committed atrocities against the genre? The details are surprising, but we knew something like this was happening.
Chris was treated worse than you’d treat a dog? Again, we see this all the time in sports: franchise players occasionally get treated like crap because your team has a really bad GM.
Feargus’ reading list is something else altogether. It’s as though FU is deliberately trying to read every shitty, self-published, $2.99 piece of trash that Amazon tries to foist off on me in its “Sponsored Products” list. I could see someone reading a lot of SF/F who happens to read this garbage in addition to some decent books. But FU’s list is 90% trash, at least. When the best authors on your goodreads page are David Weber and L.E. Modesitt, something has gone seriously wrong. That’s no knock on either author (I had a fondness for both as a teenager but can’t stomach their recent stuff, or Weber’s older stuff in retrospect) they’re just not what anyone would describe as top tier.
His taste isn’t just bad, it’s legendary. Chris Avellone, we’d all be very interested to hear what he recommended to you. Like it or not, you’re an accomplished fantasy author/editor yourself (I know, I know—you’re a designer!). The thought of Feargus telling you to read some self-published paranormal romance novel had me laughing out loud. It’s like telling Guy Gavriel Kay to read some third-rate Tolkien knockoff: “bro, I wrote the Silmarillion.”
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Is that before or after felipepepe's harem of devout femquisitors nuke the Codex from orbit for it's misogynistic, patriarchal, toxic masculinity, and
RPG tastes?Kit Walker said:
That is the basis of any ideologue, right or left leaning. Have you ever experienced the raw unfiltered proclivities of a feral Trigglypuff on a university campus? I would wager the feminazi sjw crowd outnumbers Codex's "anti-sjw" dudebro types by several order's of magnitude. And the big difference, my money is on the dudebro's just being in it for the LOLs... If you're going to go off tilting at windwills at least aim a little higher.
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Oh and Nick do you truly work at/for Obsidian? If so, in what capacity? (Or was that some inside joke)
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Can you start to make hard questions instead of shitposting? I need chaos, blood, tears and drama.
So, Chris Avellone lets say that Obsidian is planning an orgy and they invited you. Who would you like to be there?
So, Chris Avellone lets say that Obsidian is planning an orgy and they invited you. Who would you like to be there?
Quite the extensive list for a 13 year old.
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You saying Feargus is using Obsidian funds to pay his kids to maintain his Goodreads account? Because that's downright diabolical.
Quite the extensive list for a 13 year old.
Do not trust anyone whose readings only include dorkish fantasy.
You saying Feargus is using Obsidian funds to pay his kids to maintain his Goodreads account? Because that's downright diabolical.
Quite the extensive list for a 13 year old.
No. His reading list actually coincides with MCA's testimony that Feargus is terrible at just being human and social.
Real talk: Infinitron, Crooked Bee, felipepe, and others like them have put a lot of "avocational" volunteer work into the Codex or ancillary pursuits. For example, felipepe asked me to write an article for an RPG book he'd been working on, and I obliged. Some may debate the real value of this type of work, and I might even be one of them from time to time, but others do see it as valuable—and in this case, value is in the eye of the beholder.
It's natural for these types of Codexers to feel a sense of proprietorship. What the Crooked Bees and felipepes of the Codex fail to understand or acknowledge, however, is that the influx of Gamergate WOMAN-HATING LITERAL NAZIS didn't originate from vacuum. The gaming industry itself suffers from an ever-increasing infestation of toxic, vitriolic SJWs. Yes, that's right, SJWs. Social justice warriors, that is: iconoclastic ideologues whose hateful, vitriolic rhetoric (seen in tens of thousands of social media posts, among other less visible venues) demonizes traditional games, bullies and cajoles developers, and ultimately contributes enormously to the decline. That's THE Decline—that thing the Codex is purportedly dedicated to fighting at all costs.
Personally, I've been shitposting on chans and other Internet hives of scum and villainy since the very early 2000s. I finally registered for the Codex because of the Kickstarter boom. Lately, I've been watching the same development companies that were part of that initial boom fill up with pink-haired fucking pronoun-mongers: inXile and HBS, for example, and it looks as though Obsidian's next on the chopping block given their "writing" staff.
So basically, although I respect their contributions, faggypepe and Crooked fucking Bee the Something Awful Goon/weeaboo can tonguepunch my fartbox if they expect me to stick my head in the sand alongside theirs while these disgusting fucking twats ruin what's left of fun in cRPGs. It's not just Anita Sarkeesian and dangerhair landwhales bloviating on Twitter anymore, folks. They're fucking up the actual games now.
It's true. Both extremes of the political spectrum believe that the Codex is a cesspool of the opposite extreme, because they aren't used to seeing both extremes (and everything in between) in the same place at the same time.
It may be compromised in their eyes, but it actually isn't, despite the existence of containment boards and threads. What felipepe, Crooked Bee et al. don't understand (whereas DarkUnderlord seems to) is that if they get their wish and the Codex becomes a safe space, it will turn into a version of RPGnet, RPG Watch, Something Awful, and/or Resetera in actuality, and not just in the eyes of Gamergaters. There will be no more interesting "debates" after that.
So Crooked Bee and others have (mostly) left the Codex. Where did they go? Back to Something Awful? To Resetera, perhaps? Fuck no, because those forums are now unreadable shithole echo chambers full of uninteresting retards. That fate can be the Codex's fate too if it ever goes the politically correct safe space route.
Prime Junta
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A man's taste in books is a window into his soul.
Go ahead and post the sepia-filtered Instagram pics of you contemplatively reading Das Kapital. Don't be shy, now. Come on, I know they exist.
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