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RPG Codex's Best RPGs - 2019 - RESULTS ARE OUT!

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by felipepepe, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. TT1 Cipher Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Should we consider Battle Brothers as a RPG?
     
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  2. Jenkem Cipher Patron

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    older titles, say.. pre-2010 should either have its own voting, or those titles should be kept as a legacy list. by focusing on titles in the last decade we could better sort the wheat from the chaff in the age of decline, while eliminating nostalgia from being a factor into one's opinion. then perhaps once we have a nu-list and the legacy list, we could elect to spend 25 points on ONLY the titles from either list (no adding our own) to formulate a combined incline.
     
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  3. Humanophage Arcane

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    If you strongly believe that newer good games also require some representation, you can just have a self-imposed quota for them. For example, I chose to have a quota of 12 for "heavyweights" like P:T, BG, Arcanum, Bloodlines, etc., a quota of 7 for "new incline" for the likes of Underrail, P:K, AoD, or Deadfire, and a quota of 6 for "underdogs" like ADOM, Risen, Geneforge, etc. This meant that some games didn't get in - e.g., I like Arcanum better than AoD, but there was no space left for it and I'm certain it will fare well enough without my help. I prefer BG to Underrail and certainly have more sentimental attachment to it, but gave more points to the latter.

    As it stands, the poll should send the following message to the world: "The passage of time does not mean progress. It often means degeneration. The old is still better than the new if pitted against one another in a fair fight. But not all is as lost as it seemed a decade ago. With enough effort, zeal, and independent thinking, you can match past achievements and even surpass some. Ignore the temptations of modern decline and seek out true heirs to the superior tradition."

    There will likely be a poll in 2020 equivalent to the 2012-2016 poll, so newer games will get their due.

    As for poll concepts, I think it would be more interesting to have a separate poll where the top-15 games would be excluded, so people would be forced to distribute their votes differently. Your proposition handicaps the less prominent older games. It would be better for discovering new games because everyone knows both the new and the old top scorers.
     
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  4. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    We could do a different poll of 2010's incline, but I don't see why the age of the game should effect a "best RPGs of all time" list. Yes some people will give a nostalgia bonus, but some others will give a flashy new thing bonus. Maybe it evens out, maybe it doesn't, but subjective list made by humans is what it is.
     
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  5. T. Reich Arcane

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    Let's glance at some picks from the current top-25 of all time, shall we?

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    Oh, my.

    That surely speaks volumes about codexian consensus of what makes an RPG. As well as c-o-n-s-i-s-t-e-n-c-y.
     
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  6. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Deus Ex and Morrowind are pretty much as RPG-y as you can get with any kind of "action" component. Even the chance to hit in Morrowind is stat-based, and Deus Ex got endless shit for its stat-based aiming. If those are at all questionable then you're basically saying only turn-based or RTwP should be considered. Dark Souls is a whole other matter.
     
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  7. T. Reich Arcane

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  8. ScrotumBroth Scrotal Projection Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    Voting system sucks donkey balls, we've got the likes of Mass Effect and Dark Souls overshadowing gems like Fundamental theorem of ideal theory in number fields.
     
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  9. Butter Learned

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    I was feeling autistic, so I tallied up the first 8 pages of results. These rankings are tentative, of course, and I probably miscounted a bit.

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    1. Planescape Torment
    2. Fallout
    3. Baldur's Gate 2
    4. Arcanum
    5. Fallout 2
    6. Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines
    7. Fallout: New Vegas
    8. TES III: Morrowind
    9. Dark Souls
    9. Deus Ex

    11. Gothic II
    12. The Age of Decadence
    13. Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    14. The Witcher III
    15. Underrail
    16. Jagged Alliance 2
    17. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II
    18. Baldur's Gate
    19. Gothic
    19. Wizardry 8

    21. Icewind Dale
    21. Wizardry VII: Crusaders of the Dark Savant
    23. Neverwinter Nights 2
    24. Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar
    25. System Shock 2
    26. Betrayal at Krondor
    27. Dragon's Dogma
    28. ATOM RPG
    28. Divinity: Original Sin
    28. Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven


    The top 8 games are the same as in the previous list, albeit in a different order. Planescape has a massive lead over the next game, and will likely keep its #1 spot without any trouble. Wizardry 8 dropped considerably from its #10 spot in the previous list. While some of this can be attributed to the addition of AoD, Kingmaker, and Underrail, that addition had virtually no effect on Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale. Darklands and Ultima Underworld were top 20 on the previous list, and don't even make the top 30 this time around.
     
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  10. Ismaul Arcane Patron

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    Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    I fully expect this is the year PST falls from grace, I mean even I didn't give it as much points as last time, but I really hope it won't be BG2 instead. Fallout 1 should be it, but I'd be willing to accept Fallout 2.
     
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  11. SniperHF Arcane

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    One of the Fallouts needs to be #1 and Gothic 2 should be in the top 10. The rest of the order I don't think is as important.
    There's gonna be some dumb stuff so we can only do what we can do +M


    Another thing this vote reminded me of is i've been meaning to go through the old list and play a game I both haven't played and already own.
    So I'm starting Anachronox.

    I prefer 2, which I gave a 5. Plus I'd rather spend points on 2 strategically in the sense that it has a better shot of hitting the top 10 than does 1.
     
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  12. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Read a novel FFS.
     
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  13. Parabalus Arcane

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    If Dark Souls and JA2 make the cut, BB has a case as well. It even has branching questlines since the DLC, the new one will add even more to it.
     
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  14. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    Sorry, but please delete this. Don't want people using the list to change their votes.
     
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  15. BEvers I'm forever blowing

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    If provisional RPG top 70 point tallies are outlawed, only outlaws will have provisional RPG top 70 point tallies.
     
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  16. ESh Arcane

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    Funny how all the Recency Bias titles are grouped together. If a vote was made in 2015, I have no doubt Divinity: Original Sin would hold Pathfinder Kingmaker's token Flavor of the Year-spot. All those games would suffer if users were allowed to rate all CRPGs individually.
     
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  17. lophiaspis Savant

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    What a pathetic display if that list is correct. Witcher 3 is far superior to any other videogame, let alone any other RPG. It should be in a league of its own. And Codex won't even put it on top 10? They even place it below the travesty known as Failout: Spew Bumgas??

    What more proof do you need that the Codex is just a hive of groupthinking nostalgiatards.

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  19. BEvers I'm forever blowing

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    inXile is also doing slightly worse than I had expected. Compared to the original games, their results have been mixed:

    WL2 is winning against WL1 (12 points vs 8)
    BT4 is losing against BT2 (0 vs 1)
    Numenera vs PST would be too cruel to spell out

    It's possible that a lot of votes that would have gone to Larian, inxile and Obsidian three years ago are now going to Kingmaker, Atom RPG et al. Changing times :negative:
     
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    The secret is, none of these games are that good.
     
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  21. TT1 Cipher Patron

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    Good point.

    Well, if Battle Brothers should be considered, its a no-brainer. I will edit my list.
     
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    I agree. It's the most game superior game, in recent memory, at being as painfully mediocre as possible with no redeeming qualities other than storyfaggotry.
     
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    Storyfaggotry is the opposite of a redeeming quality.
     
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  24. Marten Broadcloak Learned

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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Bubbles In Memoria A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
    Honestly, having Fallout 2 only ranked 5 is an enormous disgrace.
     
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  25. Nano Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    There's still more than a week left, y'all
     
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