3D made RPG's SHIT!

[Duckard]

No, PEOPLE made RPGs shit.

 

[Zeit]

You stupid fuck! You were addicted to 2D. 3D isn't 2D.

 

[JagreenLern]

There where a few decent FPS-RPG Hybrids (Bloodlines, Deus Ex, System Shock 2), but I have to agree that the demand for 3D games has not been good for the genre. It's just part of drive to attract a "mainstream" audience that tranformed roleplaying from Wraith: the Oblivion to TES4: Oblivion in less than a decades time.

 

[Zeit]

It's because 3D costs more to produce. When 3D costs go up, game design funding goes down. Fact.

 

[Zeit]

There's 100 artists and 1 Designer! Game is gonna look tits!

 

[deus101]

3D does not really cost more to produce.... in fact in some way it cuts overhead.

Then again all i do is program the damn things...If i find out 3D modelers get paid more then me I'll beat them with my super bible.

 

[deus101]

also..look people...I mean...fpsrpg's are a given...i infact love those...if they are done right..

But my focus was on the isometric...thingy...thing.

 

[SoupNazi]

why...do you...write...like...a...retard

 

[nasi]

It's funny because he's a horse. Oh wait, no he's not. I am.

lawlzers

 

[deus101]

why...do you...write...like...a...retard

I try to...well...you know....

 

[Achilles]

3D made RPGs manly instead of nerdy. Now when you shoot people in RPGs, you can really feel the immersion crawling up your butt.

 

[deus101]

3D made RPGs manly instead of nerdy. Now when you shoot people in RPGs, you can really feel the immersion crawling up your butt.

 

[commie]

how edgy

gothic, gothic 2, risen, point disproven

I can think of a couple of good 3d RPGs. Vampire: Bloodlines. The Sith Lords. Deus Ex. Mask of the Betrayer. Arx Fatalis. Morrowind. Don't be so hasty to generalize.

The Witcher, Drakensang 1 and 2. Divinity II. Even Two Worlds(not for the Codexian fanatics, but I still enjoyed it).

 

[deus101]

OK, some of the poster seems serious here:

I'm not generalizing, I'm talking acceleration->velocity->position.

And FPSRPG are off-course not what i was aiming for(pun not intended), 3D is not excuse for shitty RPG elements there.

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

OK, some of the poster seems serious here:

I'm not generalizing, I'm talking acceleration->velocity->position.

And FPSRPG are off-course not what i was aiming for(pun not intended), 3D is not excuse for shitty RPG elements there.

You have to be gentle with them. Most of them have hardly ever seen any other kind of CRPG, let alone played the horrible looking things! Myself and a few others have agreed with you here, though the question seems to have headed into; was it the TIMING of when 3D became mainstream for CRPG's? or is it the 3D itself that has taken away from the genre?

I have already had my say on the matter.

 

[Bobtheblob]

The 3d revolution helped to kill some great series off that tried to make the jump.

Might and Magic 2d in it's prime (3-5) became a "B title" 3d with sprits for 6-8 and a "C/D list" disaster when it tried to go full 3d with 9.

Ultima 2d for 1-8.... 3d for 9 end of Ultima - perhaps not the sole major cause but it was a major blunder.

Wizardry 1-7 2d... 8 3d end of Wizardry - By far the most amazing 3d Swan Song of all the RPG classics I played the development time and costs were astronomical.

Oh well, video killed the radio star.

 

[Delirius]

Re: 3d

Bioware is kind of hit and miss with this aspect - like i really liked their nwn2 campaigns but i kind of felt that the story was a little weak for the OC and motb and pathetic for SoZ.

What a fuck are you talking about newfag? I should kick your fucking ass.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

It's funny because he's a horse. Oh wait, no he's not. I am.

lawlzers

 

[Relayer71]

3D did not make RPGs shit, 3D + REAL TIME COMBAT did.

Wizardry 8 is not shit.

3D + RT COMBAT + CONSOLITIS* made RPGs even shittier

* simplified twitch combat (skill checks? we don't need no stinkin' skill checks!), DUMB U.I.s, FLASH over SUBSTANCE

 

[Mastermind]

3D did not make RPGs shit, 3D + REAL TIME COMBAT did.

Yeah, bg2, torment and morrowind are all real shit.

I don't understand why the turn based rpg faggots even exist, they rarely take advantage of the medium and introduce real tactical options. They're just popamole shit with automatic pause.

 

[Relayer71]

3D did not make RPGs shit, 3D + REAL TIME COMBAT did.

Yeah, bg2, torment and morrowind are all real shit.

I don't understand why the turn based rpg faggots even exist, they rarely take advantage of the medium and introduce real tactical options. They're just popamole shit with automatic pause.

Look fucker, BG 2 and Torment were real time w/PAUSE and combat was menu based. I meant action, twitch based, FPS style combat. Where you push button, Hulk smash.

Morrowind was more a SUM OF ALL PARTS game. You didn't play it for the combat, that's for sure. It was was skill based which was great, but the execution still sucked. It was dull and repetitive. Slash, slash, slash. Boring, boring, boring.

And honestly, I don't mind real time combat in action games or even single Player Character action RPGs but for party based RPGs, turn based seems the best way to go. Maybe that's my beef: these days there aren't many party based games.

 

[Mastermind]

Look fucker, BG 2 and Torment were real time w/PAUSE and combat was menu based. I meant action, twitch based, FPS style combat. Where you push button, Hulk smash.

1. Fucking say so, don't expect me to divine what you REALLY mean.
2. There's nothing wrong with push button, hulk smash if done properly, though if someone's not really into that, there's little I can do. I just wish people would stop assuming push button is automatically shit just because they don't like it.

Morrowind was more a SUM OF ALL PARTS game. You didn't play it for the combat, that's for sure. It was was skill based which was great, but the execution still sucked. It was dull and repetitive. Slash, slash, slash. Boring, boring, boring.

Morrowind comobat is best enjoyed as a master of all trades. I've never relied on any weapon exclusively (i agree it gets boring, but when they tried to add some variety to melee combat in oblivion the nostalgiafags whined like there was no tomorrow), which would indeed get quite boring.

And honestly, I don't mind real time combat in action games or even single Player Character action RPGs but for party based RPGs, turn based seems the best way to go. Maybe that's my beef: these days there aren't many party based games.

I half agree. I think rt with pause systems like bg2 or torment work just fine for party games too.

 

[SharkClub]

I think the demand for fully-voice acted games is what made RPGs shit.

In Fallout 1/2 there's quite a lot of dialogue, so many choices and things you could ask, and great voice acting for a few characters.

And in Fallout 3, instead they have less dialogue (in this case I'd say it's good because it was so badly written anyway), less choices, all player-questions leading to the same answer and shitty voice acting on-top of all of that.

 

[Archibald]

I kinda liked Drakensangwhateverbullshit aproach where they voiced only the first sentence or so, gives you the idea of how that character sounds and it`s good enough for me.

 

[aries202]

-eh-

You don't know that in DA you can right-click to move? As for the combat, I agree, it is really, really -ehm- not well done.

You have to select an enemy by left-clicking, then right-clicking to attack, unless, you want to use a special abaility...

And you do know that you can pause the game? between ordering people around...?

As far as the 3D goes, I'll have to agree with you. It is now, 10 years after isometric 2D were in full bloom, 3D is functioning well...in games...