Hungry Donner said:
I thought it was quite funny that he had to rectify it.
So finally we know that they were not blatant lies, the devs just decided to change the features. Wowers.
-
Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.
"This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
A ESF mod PMed me about dev quotes - funners
- Thread starter JarlFrank
- Start date
I thought it was quite funny that he had to rectify it.
So finally we know that they were not blatant lies, the devs just decided to change the features. Wowers.
Mayday said:
And because the poor hard working devs had a 24/7 job to dumb down anything as much as possible,
there was no time to inform anyone about the changes.
But they always found the time to tell some new lies...
...and for denying that they've made such changes.
Solomon Doone
Novice
- Joined
- Feb 12, 2007
- Messages
- 88
JarlFrank said:
Well he's right about changes in production.
Still doesn't change the fact that there were a lot of bare faced lies disseminated, even if a few* are relatively subjective.
*Taking a liberty with calling 2-3 a "few" here.
OccupatedVoid
Arbiter
Post Count++;
Kingston
Arcane
R00fles!
Lord Chambers
Erudite
- Joined
- Jan 23, 2006
- Messages
- 1,018
How old are you Jarl?
Blahblah Talks
Arbiter
obediah said:
KreideBein
Scholar
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2006
- Messages
- 957
God damnit, how many ESF threads do we really need?
Micmu
Magister
Jason
chasing a bee
Lord Chambers said:
18.
But belonging to the more intelligent type of 18-year-olds.
And the freaky nerdy type.
DarkSign
Erudite
JarlFrank said:
Ahh ha. you've broken the first rule of Codex posting. Dont call yourself intelligent.
Wait, that is the first rule of Codex posting...to call yourself intelligent.
Lumpy
Arcane
- Joined
- Sep 11, 2005
- Messages
- 8,525
Furthermore, Hungry Dooner is a Fallout fan, he has Thief 1 as his favourite game, with Fallout 2, PST and Thief 2 as runner-ups. No TES games in there.Lumpy said:[Kathode] "All screenshots we've released are 100% in game showing stuff we've already got implemented. We haven't done any special poses or anything like that, with the exception of magazine covers."
Which is true.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "I'm sorry, but what part of "without losing our hardcore rpg fans" don't you understand?"
Wrong prediction.
[Slateman] "Each of the faction lines in this game have plots and quests to much greater depth over MW. Quality, not quantity."
Factions do have storylines, rather than being a random succession of quests.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "I know you don't want to hear it, but you're just going to have to trust us that the dialogue is better than Morrowind's."
Depends on which way you look at it. Unlike Morrowind, NPCs actually say unique things most of the time. And it's all voice acted.
[Todd] "As you play, you start to figure out what you can do with these NPCs, and how you can influence their behavior, and when doing a quest, it really comes into play. A simple 'get the diamond from that guy...' quest can be done in hundreds of ways now."
Big lie. But then again, this is Todd.
[VSXX] "We have everything from mice to moles to crickets. The most fearsome you have ever seen even! You thought sleeping at night with a singing cricket outside your window was bad. You wait till you meet the one that plays a 14 piece drum set outside your window."
It did have a large variety of monsters, larger than Morrowind, I think.
[Pete] "Honestly, and this is just my opinion, I think the hardcore RPG guys are going to love what we have in store for them in Oblivion. The depth, the level of polish...it crushes Morrowind. That doesn't mean that other people won't want to buy it and play it because it's a beautiful game that has fun combat and cool quests. We'll make enough copies for everyone."
Over-enthusiasm combined with PR bullshit. Not dirty lying though.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "You'll be reading LOTS of stuff. All of the quest lines are much more in depth, challenging and interesting. And there's a heck of a lot more to the game than just the guilds and the main quest. Lots and lots of other things to do that haven't been mentioned. Stats play a huge, huge role. Class actually has meaning this time. The game is better balanced. You have more rewards for advancement besides just getting better at things. The dungeons are better designed, the NPCs are more interesting, the dialogue is better written.
If you think this is a simple, dumbed down hack & slash, you couldn't be more wrong."
The NPCs are more interesting than Morrowind (although that isn't really a huge achievement). Stats play an important role. Some quests are better written, although they involved too much combat. Again, not really a lie.
[BlueDev] "For Oblivion, there's a very concious effort to avoid too much random information spewing by NPCs. Fear not--there's still the same amount of info to be found in the game. In fact, the NPCs probably have more than ever to say; it just makes more sense for them to say it."
Exaggeration.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "Oblivion is infinitely superior to Morrowind in every conceivable way."
Just his personal opinion.
[MattRyan] "So for all of you thinking that it would be neat to steal something, and then take off on your horse....guess what? An NPC can do the same dirty trick to you as well. "
This is a lie, indeed.
[Todd] "The clothing you wear does affect certain NPC's, but not in a big way, it’s subtle."
And it doesn't? I think clothing affects NPC disposition.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "Broken shields and weapons are automatically dropped and they clatter to the ground using Havok physics. Broken armor stays on, but is ineffective and you'll know if you're wearing broken armor or not."
They probably just changed their mind. After all, it wouldn't have been really hard to implement.
[Slateman] "While I cannot go into detail, rest assured that even players who max out a bunch of skills will discover challenges in this game. We didn't leave you guys out "
I don't really know what he's talking about.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "Just because you can attempt to bribe someone does not mean they'll automatically accept it."
Changed their mind.
[MattRyan] "We are gamers. We have given tons of time toward the balance of gameplay. Asside from the designers, artists, programmers, and producers.... our staff of QA testers are extremely good at exploiting our game systems and looking for loopholes in gameplay, or shortfalls in fun vs. realism.
In conclusion, to completely cut out any adjustment to difficulty in enemies would not be fun, just as making all creatures off-set to your level would not be fun."
So... which part of this is a lie?
[Slateman] "Yep. To second MSFD, we don't auto-level exactly to your level. We have all sorts of adjustments available. If we didn't the game would be boring "
Again, I suppose they decided to change that later on.
[MattRyan] "If everything was leveled then you'd have no fear of anything in the game ('I can beat everything!') We plan on scaring the heck out of the player by higher level creatures."
As above.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "You're walking through a seedy part of a town in Western Cyrodiil. People mill about, some engaged in conversation, others minding their own business, out on their own errands. Suddenly, an ugly man decides he doesn't like you. Maybe he's drunk, maybe he's just a bully, maybe he's just showing off in front of his friends -- but for whatever reason, he has taken your measure and decided he can best you.
He comes charging at you, with a nasty looking mace in his hand and a look of hatred on his face. Onlookers move back to make room for what should be an entertaining fight.
Quickly drawing your sword and shield, you wheel around to face him. He's upon you pretty quickly though, and you barely have time to raise your shield (hold right mouse button) before his first blow thunders down upon you.
But you block well, and as he recoils from the collision, you quickly perform left & right slashes with your sword (left click, pause, left click). The bully realizes this isn't going to be easy.
He backs off a bit, and starts dodging around you. First to the left, then to the right. You maneuver to keep him in view, looking for an opening. Suddenly he steps back, raises his mace in both hands, and steps forward, bringing the mace towards your head in a crushing blow!
But you're quick -- you step to the side as he attacks. As he passes by, you execute a spinning maneuver and slash him in the side (hold left mouse button and left maneuver key). The hit is solid, and your foe staggers from the blow.
But it's not over yet. The bully swings his mace wildly -- his first swing misses, but the next one connects for a blow that sends you staggering. Pressing his advantage, the bully bears down on you with a power attack of his own. OUCH. This isn't going well. You take a glance at your health meter, it's getting a bit low. You quickly back up out of the bully's reach and raise your shield (hold right mouse button).
He's hurting, too. You circle each other for a time, looking for an opening, trying to recover some fatigue. Finally the bully charges forward with a devastating overhead blow, perhaps hoping to break your shield. But the shield holds and the recoil send him staggering back. This is your chance! You perform a mighty forward power attack (hold the left mouse button, press forward) and connect solidly. The blow staggers your foe once again, and you perform 3 slashing attacks in rapid succession (left mouse button, pause, left mouse button, pause, left mouse button), and finally the bully collapses to the ground, defeated.
The crowd disperses, going back to their own business."
I suppose this is just enthusiasm. There aren't any clear lies in there.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "We happen to think that console gamers are smarter than that, and the success of Morrowind on Xbox proves that console gamers actually ARE interested in games with MORE depth and complexity than some people seem to think they are."
What is the lie?
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "I absolutely guarantee that they'll be able to make mods that will completely blow away anything we saw for Morrowind, using the new Construction Set."
Script Effect, for example.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "You can only use the map-based fast travel to go to places you've already been. So you'll HAVE to walk to each possible location AT LEAST once."
WHAT THE FUCK? This is 100% true.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "We could make traditional creatures that looked like every other depiction of those creatures you've seen in books, movies, or other games, but then where's the originality in that?"
Right... I don't get this either.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "NPCs would have to be told to go into your house via Radiant AI. And even if they WERE, you could always lock your door..."
Changed their mind.
[Slateman] "Trust me, you're going to get lost if you wander in these forests and don't use the compass or map."
Since they didn't give written directions...
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "you can enter every interior."
WTF again? Which interior can't you enter?
[Pete] "There isn't a magazine on the planet that hasn't gotten information if they've asked for it."
Which is the lie?
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "Resurrected NPCs are not themselves. They're basically mindless automata who will follow you around and fight for you."
Which is completly true. He is talking about spell-reanimated NPCs.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "Oblivion is an extremely rich, complex game with a tremendous amount of depth, compelling quest lines, interesting NPC characters, a huge variety of player character types and intricate character progression set in a huge, varied game world. Combat, magic, and AI have all been dramatically improved to enhance gameplay while still providing a balance between player skill and character skill, because after all, Oblivion is a role playing game. Yes, some things that were present in Morrowind are not in Oblivion -- but a lot more has been added than removed, and the goal has always been to make a game that is both more accessible to first-time RPG players, and is also challenging and rewarding for more experienced players."
Personal opinion.
[Pete] "We will continue to support the mod community as best we can and let them do the great things they do, just as we did with Morrowind."
TESCS wiki, Construction Set released before the game, very user-friendly CS.
[Sentinel] "The sad fact is that many development studios can't afford to bankroll their own game development. So they rely on publishers to give them the money to create these games. The problem with this is that the publisher then feels they should have input into the game since they are spending the money. Hence Atari and EA have such a big influence on a game they publish.
Just glad here at Bethesda we are our own publisher and developer and have free reign to make what we want."
What he's saying is that Bethesda publishes their own games. Which is completly true.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "We're NOT going to slap in features that don't work well just to say we have them."
Which is fake? How?
[Pete] "Holidays this year"
Changed their fucking minds.
[Pete] "You know if you have a 360 it will look as good as it can possibly look. If you have the latest, greatest PC with the best video card, etc., it will probably look the same as the Xbox 360 version."
Which is true.
[MrSmileyFaceDude] "The compass, the quest marker and compass icons, are NOT the hand-holding, dumbing down babysitter some folks paint them out to be."
Opinion.
[Hayt] "We're around on a daily basis, and we're reading. When we're ready to comment on things, you'll all know."
Which, again, is true.
hiciacit
Liturgist
JarlFrank said:
Perhaps you need to reconsider that statement.
GhanBuriGhan
Erudite
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2005
- Messages
- 1,170
Posting private messages in public is not cool.
JarlFrank said:
Your kind have amazingly tight asses that feel Oh So Good on my beefy tube steak.
obediah said:
Doesn't every piece of software work as coded, no matter how well it works?
OccupatedVoid
Arbiter
No...Saint_Proverbius said:
*coughWindowscough*
Ahzaruuk
Arbiter
Is anyone other than myself starting to suspect attention whoring? 
As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.