KickStarter All Walls Must Fall - "tech-noir tactics game" set in a 2089 Berlin where the Cold War never ended

[Severian Silk]

Over a hundred years of Cold War? Don't the writers think that's a bit retarded?

1914 to 1989 is already nearly a century.

 

[Hobo Elf]

Over a hundred years of Cold War? Don't the writers think that's a bit retarded?

1914 to 1989 is already nearly a century.

Not a single Cold War lasted that long. They were all small Cold Wars that happened one after another in different places and lasted only a few years at a time. There's a reason why Cold Wars pretty much stopped altogether in the 90's, and it's because in todays economy everything is more global and dependant on other countries, so having a cold war is kinda disastrous for everyone involved.

 

[HobGoblin42]

Usually, cold wars last as long as dictators stay in power/stay alive because those regimes always need a (virtual) enemy from outside to oppress the own population and to excuse corruption and inequality. If you study the statements of the current leaderships from Iran/NKorea/Venezuala/Russia, you'll find a very similar rhetoric: our country would be powerful, peaceful and wealthy but the evil West/USA is doing everything to prevent us from being great. No matter if Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Putin or Kim Jong Un: the methods are always the same and will probably never change.

 

[an Administrator]

Yeah i can confirm.

 

[Severian Silk]

Don't forget Trump.

 

[Isaac Ashdown]

and have it all coherent and internally consistent

Of all the things we might be promising, you'll note that that particular one is not in the bullet-point list.

Somehow I suspect their Berlin 2089 society and culture will be basically identical to the 2016 one, just with lasers and robots.

Worth remembering the wall fell in 1989, 25+ years ago. But actually, you're not far off. I feel pretty strongly about using the setting that I get if I look out the window, as it's such a great resource to have. Too many developers set their game/movie in an awesome place and then just make it genericville, USA, or laser-n-robot land. But when I look out the window, I do think, this would be improved by lasers and robots.

 

[boot]

No. It's a perfect metaphor. The walls are all the social shit that stands between people, and forces the human race to be divided. Racism, bigotry etc. Our heroes set out on a righteous journey to break down those walls, but in their arrogant, selfish need to do good, they are too blind to see the truth. They break down the walls and society falls apart too.
Now, as the very world they tried to make better is destroying itself, they finally realize that it can't be forced. Building pillars to hold the roofs takes time, and when they are finally built, the walls will crumble on their own. So they go back in time to stop themselves.
At this point you realize that during the whole game your enemies were you from the future, and that you are doomed to fail, because you already saw yourself fail. But you still try, because you are no longer driven by ego, but by a true, selfless desire to save the world.

sounds pretentious and gay. How old are you guys?

The gameplay seems focused on gimmicks. Games with huge emphasis on super special settings are usually duds. All the signs say abort run away do not spend moneys.

 

[nil]

No. It's a perfect metaphor. The walls are all the social shit that stands between people, and forces the human race to be divided. Racism, bigotry etc. Our heroes set out on a righteous journey to break down those walls, but in their arrogant, selfish need to do good, they are too blind to see the truth. They break down the walls and society falls apart too.
Now, as the very world they tried to make better is destroying itself, they finally realize that it can't be forced. Building pillars to hold the roofs takes time, and when they are finally built, the walls will crumble on their own. So they go back in time to stop themselves.
At this point you realize that during the whole game your enemies were you from the future, and that you are doomed to fail, because you already saw yourself fail. But you still try, because you are no longer driven by ego, but by a true, selfless desire to save the world.

sounds pretentious and gay. How old are you guys?

you sound pretentious and gay

• Pausable real-time tactics with actions on the beat of the music

Can you say if this means that the music will be part of the gameplay, or it remains strictly part of the presentation?

 

[Isaac Ashdown]

Can you say if this means that the music will be part of the gameplay, or it remains strictly part of the presentation?

The music is used to keep track of time, and actions have their duration measured in beats of the music. However, it would be more accurate to say that time is the element that's part of the gameplay, rather than the music itself.

That might be a bit too much of an anal programmer answer. Showing, rather than telling, is going to be our goal when getting this across to people, and while we've got a vision and prototypes and all that good stuff, what we don't have yet is actual music that we can use (as in, it's not yet licensed). We're expecting that to start to come through within the next few months, and then we'll be able to show what we're talking about.

 

[Isaac Ashdown]

If you don't take your own story seriously, why should I?

A very good question. I would advise against it - it sounds pretty incoherent.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Nailed it.

Damn, spoiler much? Now no one will buy your game/emotional engagement narrative experience, they already know the ending.

 

[Taxnomore]

Any particular reason the cold war couldn't have lasted 100 years?

Economics.

I like where you chose to draw the line. Elves and Orc shamans in cyberpunk Berlin fighting dragons that are actually people ? Sounds okay. Alternate reality where the USSR survived ? Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Infinitron]

Hey, it's back...and on Kickstarter.

https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ust-fall-a-tech-noir-tactics-game/description

The Cold War never ended. For 150 years both sides have used time manipulation technology to observe and counter each other’s every move. Now this fragile state of affairs is approaching a breaking point, as a rogue nuclear strike will send the world into turmoil. Both sides have scrambled to send agents back in time to find who is behind the attack and how to prevent it. If they fail, the whole world will turn to ash, forever.

All Walls Must Fall is an isometric tactics game where actions happen to the pulsing beat of the music. You control time travelling secret agents as they jump and loop through a single night in the city of Berlin. Using a pausable real-time system, carefully plan your decisions and use powerful time manipulation abilities to your advantage, as you carry out your mission in the shadows or in plain sight. Levels are procedurally recombined using a bespoke system developed by inbetweengames, giving All Walls Must Fall a highly replayable campaign structure, while still offering individually crafted components and set-pieces.

All Walls Must Fall takes inspiration from genre classics like X-Com, Syndicate and REZ, as well more recent indie games like The Banner Saga, Braid, SUPERHOT and Crypt of the Necrodancer.

 

[SausageInYourFace]

Sound, art design and setting all look fucking great. Aside from XCom, Syndicate and Rez I also get SR and Invisible Inc vibes from this. Not sold on the combat at all and the music beats element but it looks interesting enough that I might back this.

 

[Morgoth]

Sounds like anti-Trump propaganda.

 

[Burning Bridges]

"Arschkalt" you gotta be fucking kidden me

 

[Dayyālu]

I can't be bothered to read about this in-depth, but do I get to play as future! DDR cyborg agents or the Cold War is merely a shitty gimmick to make pretentious points about the contemporary world?

I'd settle down even on Soviet space-traveling cyborg agents.

Hmmm.

The first one is somewhat promising.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Sounds like anti-Trump propaganda.

Weren't the developers German SJWs?

Just last week, I was thinking about the game but couldn't remember the name / find the thread.

15k seems a very low goal and I wonder if that's worth the hassle of a KS for "industry veterans".

 

[Burning Bridges]

So if I get this right, this is but pseudo-political propaganda by SJW hipsters who couldn't get a job?

Exactly what gaming needs these days

 

[commie]

Let me guess: the wall comes down and muh liberal diversity triumphs over cold austere Marxism and exploitative capitalism.

 

[PulsatingBrain]

Let me guess: the wall comes down and muh liberal diversity triumphs over cold austere Marxism and exploitative capitalism.

One can only dream

 

[SausageInYourFace]

Holy shit people is it possible to read just one fucking thread for once without someone pointlessly bringing SJW crap into it?

 

[commie]

Hey they started it!

An inclusive representation of the people of Berlin including their diverse cultural, sexual and gender identities

What do you think bullet point is if not an agenda for diversity propaganda?

Why need to highlight gender and sex in a fucking TACTICS game?

Back to prison with you Librul scum. I'm onto your misdirection attempt.

 

[Burning Bridges]

HA-HA you would really like that, wouldn't you?

 

[SausageInYourFace]

What do you think bullet point is if not an agenda for diversity propaganda?

Have you ever been to Berlin or any other metropolis? Its just a description of what it looks like and what every other cyberpunk sprawl ever looked like.