Review Alpha Protocol Review Extravaganza

[racofer]

What can define the nature of an RPG?

Around here these days if it has an Obsidian logo stamped on the box that is good enough.

butthurt detected

Perhaps, but not by your doing, as much as you'd have liked to

 

[StrangeCase]

Yes, well, Oblivion was a pretty good RPG compared to what came just prior and just after.

:smugcodex:

 

[Grunker]

Around here these days if it has an Obsidian logo stamped on the box that is good enough.

Yes. The praise of NWN2 lately has been through the roof

 

[racofer]

Around here these days if it has an Obsidian logo stamped on the box that is good enough.

Yes. The praise of NWN2 lately has been through the roof

Who is talking about appraisal? You just didn't say it wasn't a RPG, thus proving my point.

 

[Grunker]

Around here these days if it has an Obsidian logo stamped on the box that is good enough.

Yes. The praise of NWN2 lately has been through the roof

Who is talking about appraisal? You just didn't say it wasn't a RPG, thus proving my point.

Eh? I haven't even played the damn game yet, how would I know? Plus, I haven't really seen people in this thread flock around to call AP an RPG. People that think it's good, Roxor for example, state quite clearly it isn't an RPG.

 

[racofer]

Around here these days if it has an Obsidian logo stamped on the box that is good enough.

Yes. The praise of NWN2 lately has been through the roof

Who is talking about appraisal? You just didn't say it wasn't a RPG, thus proving my point.

Eh? I haven't even played the damn game yet, how would I know? Plus, I haven't really seen people in this thread flock around to call AP an RPG. People that think it's good, Roxor for example, state quite clearly it isn't an RPG.

What? I said RPG and you brought up NWN2 as being one. I replied that you didn't say NWN2 wasn't an RPG in your post. Then you replied that you wouldn't know since you didn't even play AP yet.

Make your fucking mind up already.

 

[Grunker]

Around here these days if it has an Obsidian logo stamped on the box that is good enough.

Yes. The praise of NWN2 lately has been through the roof

Who is talking about appraisal? You just didn't say it wasn't a RPG, thus proving my point.

Eh? I haven't even played the damn game yet, how would I know? Plus, I haven't really seen people in this thread flock around to call AP an RPG. People that think it's good, Roxor for example, state quite clearly it isn't an RPG.

What? I said RPG and you brought up NWN2 as being one. I replied that you didn't say NWN2 wasn't an RPG in your post. Then you replied that you wouldn't know since you didn't even play AP yet.

Make your fucking mind up already.

I c what happen - and it is I who is the idiot.

First I thought you were talking about Obsidian = good on the Codex of late, so I brought up NWN2. Then I thought you were talking about AP not being an RPG (which is the game I haven't played yet - I've played NWN2).

TL;DR: I'm a tired idiot and I'm going to sleep.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

What I like about Grunker is that he'll quickly admit when he didn't understand something, instead of dragging the argument on and fucking on until the other party gets tired.

 

[Felix]

So anyway, what is this forum supposed to be about? How much the game journalists suck even though everyone on this forum exhibits the exact same behavior?

ha ha ha...what the fuck?

http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10555

Because no success at the Watch, I guess.

 

[Grunker]

What I like about Grunker is that he'll quickly admit when he didn't understand something, instead of dragging the argument on and fucking on until the other party gets tired.

If I didn't do that I would just seem even more of an idiot (iz unpossible!), heh. You still deserve some right back at ya though.

So anyway, what is this forum supposed to be about? How much the game journalists suck even though everyone on this forum exhibits the exact same behavior?

ha ha ha...what the fuck?

http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10555

Because no success at the Watch, I guess.

He's so obvious he's not, I guess? Even worse that Shitjägermeister though, if such a thing is possible.

And now I really am going to sleep.

 

[Felix]

let's post awesome Gspot reviews.

As a PC game it's almost perfect:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/theelder ... eview.html
But it only touches perfection in the SP3 port:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/theelde ... eview.html
Key features: "excellent music and hours of good voice acting."


And the best game evar. Absolute perfection in everything:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/gran ... eview.html

You forgot the epitome of popeamole.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/ ... ead-review

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/gears ... ead-review

Really stellar graphics from both a technical and an artistic standpoint

 

[Tel Prydain]

I'm really liking the game so far. In may ways this game reminds me of more RPGish Deus Ex. Lots of choices about who lives and how you relate to people that effect the story and the missions in all kinds of ways.

You may be a predefined character, but that feeling of collaborative story telling is definitely there, and it makes the conversations just as tense (if not more tense) then the shooting and sneaking. It's something that has been missing from modern 'RPGs'. And it makes the c&c in ME and ME2 look like a total joke.

The reviews out there are mostly rubbish, and are making me kinda mad. One actually complained that "without points in hacking, hacking was hard". Seriously, guys? Really? Prehaps you should go play Bioshock. Or maybe Fallout 3 where you can max out all your skills.

 

[CraigCWB]

So anyway, what is this forum supposed to be about? How much the game journalists suck even though everyone on this forum exhibits the exact same behavior?

ha ha ha...what the fuck?

http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10555

Because no success at the Watch, I guess.

They told me to come here so I could be with all the other assholes. You got a problem with me following their advice?

Your options were:

1) Troll!
2) Go back to WoW, lozer!

But you didn't answer fast enough. Unfortunately, that means you died. Your options now are:

1) Load save game
2) Exit to windows
3) Sell mom's PC and use the proceeds to buy a smartphone contract so you can play REAL RPGs, old skool style

 

[SuicideBunny]

it's the same kind of reviewers that wrote "more of the same" back when motb came out.

 

[CraigCWB]

Or maybe Fallout 3 where you can max out all your skills.

So, you are claiming that a game with a mission-based story line, FPS game mechanics, and dialog-based navigation is more of an RPG than Fallout 3?

Is that your final answer?

 

[racofer]

What I like about Grunker is that he'll quickly admit when he didn't understand something, instead of dragging the argument on and fucking on until the other party gets tired.

Yes this is good, I can own him faster this way

 

[CraigCWB]

Or maybe Fallout 3 where you can max out all your skills.

So, you are claiming that a game with a mission-based story line, FPS game mechanics, and dialog-based navigation is more of an RPG than Fallout 3?

Is that your final answer?

Because, if that's your final answer then the Wing Commander franchise more RPGish than Ultima, Wizardry, Might& Magic, the magic candle, Wasteland, the fallout games and its other contemporaries. Funny how nobody ever mentions the Wing Commander games as classics of the RPG genre. And I'm not even talking about Privateer... the regular Wing Commander games used the same mission-based architecture with briefings and other NPC dialogs to advance the plot.

 

[flushfire]

lol talking to yourself now? TP's comparison was about this:

One actually complained that "without points in hacking, hacking was hard"

not anything else. jesus at least try to read other words besides the game titles.

 

[Jaesun]

dude CraigCWB, you probably should have lurked more at the codex before you started posting.

 

[Malachi]

But you didn't answer fast enough. Unfortunately, that means you died. Your options now are:

1) Load save game
2) Exit to windows
3) Sell mom's PC and use the proceeds to buy a smartphone contract so you can play REAL RPGs, old skool style

CraigCWB has gone full retard.

 

[Tel Prydain]

Or maybe Fallout 3 where you can max out all your skills.

So, you are claiming that a game with a mission-based story line, FPS game mechanics, and dialog-based navigation is more of an RPG than Fallout 3?

Is that your final answer?

It really depends one how you define Role-Playing Game, I guess.
If you define it as a game that allows you to play a role as you see fit and use relevant skills to influence the game-world, then my answer is yes.
If you define it as a game where you can wonder about and explore a pre-determined story at your own pace, then I guess that Fallout 3 might be your thing.
That’s just my thoughts so far – it has plenty of time to fall to pieces yet.

Because, if that's your final answer then the Wing Commander franchise more RPGish than Ultima, Wizardry, Might& Magic, the magic candle, Wasteland, the fallout games and its other contemporaries. Funny how nobody ever mentions the Wing Commander games as classics of the RPG genre. And I'm not even talking about Privateer... the regular Wing Commander games used the same mission-based architecture with briefings and other NPC dialogs to advance the plot.

To elaborate a little more, each of Alpha Protocol’s ‘missions’ could be the equivalent of a DnD module, while the safe-houses are the equivalent of the prep time that there is inevitably between gaming sessions.
In other words, being mission based doesn’t (in and of itself) make Alpha Protocol any less of an RPG... If you define RPG as a game that allows you to play a role as you see fit and use relevant skills to influence the game-world.

And I wouldn't call Might & Magic a classic RPG. I was far more of an Ultima man.

 

[Jaesun]

I was far more of an Ultima man.

+1 respect..... as long as it wasn't Ultima IX.

I disagree, the Might and Magic series are still great Classic RPG's.

 

[CraigCWB]

I was far more of an Ultima man.

+1 respect..... as long as it wasn't Ultima IX.

-1 respect. It was Ultima 8 that was the beginning of the end of the franchise, as anyone who actually played them as they came out would know. So, actually, -10 respect. Or -100. What's max respect here? You just lost it all, whatever it is

I disagree, the Might and Magic series are still great Classic RPG's.

Yes they are, but you're probably just saying that to boost your "old skool" creds, right?

It really depends one how you define Role-Playing Game, I guess.
If you define it as a game that allows you to play a role as you see fit and use relevant skills to influence the game-world, then my answer is yes.

Is that how you describe Alpha Protocol? Dude, it uses a mission-based architecture. That's from the FPS genre. What is it besides the dialog tree that qualifies it as an RPG at ALL?

If you define it as a game where you can wonder about and explore a pre-determined story at your own pace, then I guess that Fallout 3 might be your thing.

RPGs are my "thing". From 1990 to 2000 Bethesda was the worst of the major developers that were making RPGs. Now they are the best. Mainly because, they are the only major developer that still makes them.

That’s just my thoughts so far – it has plenty of time to fall to pieces yet.

The game can be finished in 10 hours on average from what I've read. You could have completed it by now if you weren't so busy praising it on the internet

To elaborate a little more, each of Alpha Protocol’s ‘missions’ could be the equivalent of a DnD module, while the safe-houses are the equivalent of the prep time that there is inevitably between gaming sessions.

Right. And the flagship in Wing Commander was the safe house, the missions the DnD modules. And wandering around initiating dialogs on the flagship with anyone who will talk to you was the prep-time.

Same exact architecture, only using 20 year newer technology.

In other words, being mission based doesn’t (in and of itself) make Alpha Protocol any less of an RPG... If you define RPG as a game that allows you to play a role as you see fit and use relevant skills to influence the game-world.

You're repeating yourself, and still not making sense

And I wouldn't call Might & Magic a classic RPG. I was far more of an Ultima man.

of course it was. Both franchises were classic RPG, as were the D&D goldbox games, the Bard's Tale series and so many others. One franchise that was not a "classic RPG" was Wing Commander. And Wing Commander used the same recipe Alpha Protocol uses.

 

[Tel Prydain]

I was far more of an Ultima man.

+1 respect..... as long as it wasn't Ultima IX.

I disagree, the Might and Magic series are still great Classic RPG's.

5, 6, 7, and 7.5 for me.
Although I thought that Serpent Isle was somewhat over-rated.

M&M always seemed to dry compared to the living world that Ultima gave you.

 

[Tel Prydain]

I was far more of an Ultima man.

+1 respect..... as long as it wasn't Ultima IX.

-1 respect. It was Ultima 8 that was the beginning of the end of the franchise, as anyone who actually played them as they came out would know. So, actually, -10 respect. Or -100. What's max respect here? You just lost it all, whatever it is

Ultima 8 was a horrible travesty compared to the previous games. However I do kinda respect the idea behind the story – putting the Avatar in a world where just being a happy little fairy wasn’t going to work.
Too bad they botched it by crapping all over the lore and turning it into an action game.

I kinda liked ascension at the time, but in hindsight I was just starved for more Ultima and bewitched by the cutting edge graphics. Alas, I was stuck of the hype train.
The 2nd playthrough I was less blind. I was disheartened by the game (“What’s a Virtue?”) and downright angry at the treatment of the companions - Iolo is in a dungeon and Gwenllian just sits there waiting for someone to help. Seriously? Fuck you, EA.

I disagree, the Might and Magic series are still great Classic RPG's.

Yes they are, but you're probably just saying that to boos your "old skool" creds, right?

I can remember playing Might and Magic, I think it was three or four, and being awe-struck at the size of the world. Then I got tired of the samey battles, the non-story and lame character interaction.
Basically, I see them as most codex folk saw Oblivion.


On the bright side, I always really liked the box art.