Joe Krow
Erudite
I hear that the stats in this game will modify the player's abilities and that the character won't be participating. No dice rolls in an rpg? I guess stats are the new sniper rifle.
Fat Dragon said:It amazes me that there are still people that have faith in Obsidian.
The state that their games are always released in is just fucking ridiculous and unacceptable, and I'm not expecting any better from NV.
MetalCraze said:Why do you reply with lies about something I never said then(not that OFP2 is any less shit)? Quite a contrary thing to "I stopped caring baawww" you know.
Now - care to say something on topic, besides concentrating attention on me which is boring?
elander_ said:So you never played a Troika game?
MetalCraze said:To put it simply - look at Arcanum now and look at NWN2 now.
No. In Deus Ex AI fought back and you weren't staying behind heavily armored wooden boxes shooting enemies like in crappy rail shooter games of early 90s. Stop insulting Deus Ex with comparisons to this game.While FPS gameplay and AI looks passable (just like DeusEx right)
Decline? "Moahah! I just killed horde of guys but I won't kill you because you are the main character let's drop some cheesy lines commonly found in Bioware games"/"You defeated me by making more holes in me than in cheese this time, but I will return moahaha!" - it isn't even Bioware - the character, the writing - perfectly a MGS level.they look well written and reactions are ok
There weren't one scene.Judging dialog for one scene is like judging a book by reading the first page.
Just who ever told you that it will be anything like Deus Ex anyway? Every preview says that it is Mass Effect - but the spaceship is replaced with your apartments, stop comparing this shit to Deus Ex - that game is much better than this one. And had actually a really good writing with normal characters even for a cliche "conspiracy" story.What i'm curious to know is how big are the maps and if they can be explored like in DeusEx. I expect to see maps as big as Liberty Tower with all the exploration options and npc encounters. The lack of this would be much more disappointing than the lame AI or the minigames.
MetalCraze said:No. In Deus Ex AI fought back and you weren't staying behind heavily armored wooden boxes shooting enemies like in crappy rail shooter games of early 90s. Stop insulting Deus Ex with comparisons to this game.While FPS gameplay and AI looks passable (just like DeusEx right)
MetalCraze said:I didn't enjoy MotB? Thanks to the Codex I learn something new every day.
I liked MotB despite incredibly shitty combat and terrible epic levels. However in AP's case everything is bad.
No. In Deus Ex AI fought back and you weren't staying behind heavily armored wooden boxes shooting enemies like in crappy rail shooter games of early 90s. Stop insulting Deus Ex with comparisons to this game.
There weren't one scene.
Just who ever told you that it will be anything like Deus Ex anyway? Every preview says that it is Mass Effect, stop comparing this shit to Deus Ex - that game is much better than this one.
And had actually a really good writing with normal characters even for a cliche "conspiracy" story.
Actually in AP they just stand in one place, trying to point a gun at the player for 5 seconds while the presentation guy comments on stuff, then remembers that he is playing and shoots the enemies.elander_ said:AP ai fights back too and his lame but not as lame as in DeusEx.
Well this won't be a problem in AP where they just don't even move after they reach the "shoot from here" pre-scripted waypoint.You can even block their path-finding by throwing a small crate at a door and they keep running.
And as we know developers show only the worst parts in previews.There's only an handful of complete dialog in one or two demos.
And it instantly makes it just like Deus Ex or something? Also devs just absolutely never lie. Seriously after so many bad and shallow projects from them won't believe it until I'll see it. So far everything they showed in AP is simply bad.Are you saying the devs lied when they mentioned you would have maps the size of deusex with plenty of exploration options? Then i would like to see any proof this isn't true.
Really? Even by Deus Ex beggining dialogues you can already say that they aren't a childish mumbling - and surprise surprise - the whole game was like that. Unlike AP.If i had only seen an handful of dialogs i would never know that, right? I could quote a few initial dialogs and joke about it but it would be pointless.
Maybe they were talking about Invisible War.elander_ said:Are you saying the devs lied when they mentioned you would have maps the size of deusex with plenty of exploration options? Then i would like to see any proof this isn't true.
Dionysus said:Maybe they were talking about Invisible War.
We'll see, but I'll be shocked and amazed if they can replicate Deus-Ex quality level/weapon/enemy design. I definitely didn't see it in their E3 demo.
MetalCraze said:Guess when everything else sucks you have to find last hope right?
deadly obsidian apoligitis. some people even defended nwn2 and koto2, no surprise they do the same with bioware whores present: Alpha protocol.entertainer said:How come there's so many fanboys of this ass effect 2 in rpgcodex?
entertainer said:How come there's so many fanboys of this ass effect 2 in rpgcodex?
DriacKin said:Mostly because the Codex worships Avellone.
MetalCraze said:his comment instantly was "they are just copying Metal Gear Solid" - which is actually the worst insult you can find for a game.
Rosh said:DriacKin said:Mostly because the Codex worships Avellone.
PS:T was years ago, unfortunately. He hasn't done anything noteworthy since.
Just why you fanbois so madly hold to Deus Ex anyway, not even mentioning that this game doesn't even near it in terms of quality. Is it "If Deus Ex has something bad - we can use this as an excuse for Alpha Protocol"?elander_ said:DeusEx combat and AI was horrible. The strong point about DeusEx was exploration not combat and using all those different skills to find imaginative ways around maps. If they can provide this kind of exploration i don't really care much about the lame AI, but i guess we will have to wait and see until we get some info about this.
Excuse me - Mass Effect had exactly the same quality of writing if not better. At times I think people just bash Bioware not because they constantly mess up, but to get Kodex Kool Kredits - because as soon as Obsidian does exactly the same: "You can't criticize the game until it comes out/oh this is just a small part of writing! Other parts will be magically better/Oh you just need to take these dialogues lightly - it's a spy story/fantasy/sci fi anyway!" and so on.I didn't found that dialog piece very bad or even Mass effect bad, skyway and i can accept cliche as long as it is well written.
Why do they call it a spy story anyway? I even fail to see 24/Bond/Bourne anywhere in here - a cliche guy just runs around putting enemies down without even trying, throws bad one liners to a chick that ran away from anime and throws bad one liners back.Also you don't know nothing about the story besides it's a spy story and about an alpha protocol.
Just like every anime - MGS has extremely stupid writing that doesn't even make sense.Lim-Lim said:Not a big fan of solid snake, eh skyway?
Rosh said:DriacKin said:Mostly because the Codex worships Avellone.
PS:T was years ago, unfortunately. He hasn't done anything noteworthy since.
The Wizard said:deadly obsidian apoligitis. some people even defended nwn2 and koto2, no surprise they do the same with bioware whores present: Alpha protocol.entertainer said:How come there's so many fanboys of this ass effect 2 in rpgcodex?
if they do the same shit to vegas their office building should be bombed to hell and back.
Kos_Koa said:Though many design decisions sound dumb, such as the dialogue time limit, the game itself seems to be designed to be taken lightly especially considering the campy over-the-top spy setting.
MetalCraze said:Depends what you call years ago - most Obsidian fanbois worship Avellone (like he was the only guy working on PS:T) simply because they opened PS:T for themselves 2 or 3 years ago, ignoring Avellone's big fuck ups like Descent to Undermountain, BG: DA2, and his fiasco role in Lionheart just because they weren't around by the time those games came out. Add to this his fallout-rape called New Reno.
MetalCraze said:Rosh said:DriacKin said:Mostly because the Codex worships Avellone.
PS:T was years ago, unfortunately. He hasn't done anything noteworthy since.
Depends what you call years ago - most Obsidian fanbois worship Avellone (like he was the only guy working on PS:T) simply because they opened PS:T for themselves 2 or 3 years ago, ignoring Avellone's big fuck ups like Descent to Undermountain, BG: DA2, and his fiasco role in Lionheart just because they weren't around by the time those games came out. Add to this his fallout-rape called New Reno.