Any good 2d shoot-em-ups?

[J_C]

A question to you guys: how do you perfer to control your shmups? I've been playing Tyrian and I find it impossible to play unless you use a mouse. You have to be so fast and precise, that a controller or keyboard does not suffice.

Jamestown is quite good with a controller, but a mouse is also a better choice there.

Mouse controls? Most shmups don't support mouse control to begin with, as most shmups are balanced around fixed movement speeds whereas fluid mouse input requires your ship being able to dash around the screen at a moment's notice.
You're better off playing with keyboard or an arcade stick.

I don't see how mouse control is a problem. The ship you control has a fixed movement speed, mouse control or not, and you just move the ship with your mouse. If Tyrian managed to implement mouse control, I'm sure all shmups can manage it.

 

[Durandal]

A question to you guys: how do you perfer to control your shmups? I've been playing Tyrian and I find it impossible to play unless you use a mouse. You have to be so fast and precise, that a controller or keyboard does not suffice.

Jamestown is quite good with a controller, but a mouse is also a better choice there.

Mouse controls? Most shmups don't support mouse control to begin with, as most shmups are balanced around fixed movement speeds whereas fluid mouse input requires your ship being able to dash around the screen at a moment's notice.
You're better off playing with keyboard or an arcade stick.

I don't see how mouse control is a problem. The ship you control has a fixed movement speed, mouse control or not, and you just move the ship with your mouse.

I was assuming it worked similarly to how touch controls work for mobile shmups, as I don't think you can constantly turn left with mouse controls without repeatedly swiping it left as opposed to holding down the left movement button on a D-pad or joystick.

If Tyrian managed to implement mouse control, I'm sure all shmups can manage it.

The only other shmup I know of that does this is the PC port for Ikaruga. I have yet to see any shmups with mouse controls aside from that.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Mouse control on shmups, lol. Just, why.

Just start with the classics bro. There's plenty on MAME for you to goof around with. I've been introduced to shmups by a childhood friend a couple years ago and i'm now at a point where i can almost 1cc stuff like the first DoDonPachi, which is not bad for an old man.

DoDonPachi, Ketsui, Battle Garegga, all the classics work fine on MAME and i don't see the point going after all the obscure indies without checking the originals first. And yeah they are hard as shit but that's the point. Stop being a figgit and git gud.

 

[Great Deceiver]

I use an arcade stick for shmups - some people play really well with a pad, so personal preference is fine - even the keyboard is fine if it can parse multiple inputs at once. Forget about the mouse.

 

[SilentMRG]

Speaking of Raptor, here's a source port for anyone who wants to test it: https://github.com/skynettx/raptor

It is a relatively new project. I hope it progresses. =)