Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

[janjetina]

Lol Australia

 

[Alienman]

Zombra

I would probably not post any more online. I'm too old and too comfy here and just the thought of having to look for something else just sounds depressive and too much work. Internet for me would just be relegated to gaming, just like the TV is only for movies.

 

[Tacgnol]

Zombra

I would probably not post any more online. I'm too old and too comfy here and just the thought of having to look for something else just sounds depressive and too much work. Internet for me would just be relegated to gaming, just like the TV is only for movies.

I'll probably just go back to posting on nfohump, almost dead as it is. It was always a pretty based forum, as they allowed full discussion of gamergate (and still do afaik). Shame it has so few active posters these days.

I'd miss this place a hell of a lot though. It ain't just the discussions and posts, it's the personalities of the posters.

 

[Lambach]

and yes, 4chan most definitely does ban for racism outside of /b/ and perhaps /pol/

4Chan has been Reddit-lite for years now outside of certain boards, so it's not surprising. But if /b/ and /pol/ fall, then that really is the end of the line.

 

[Ranselknulf]

If there is one thing I've learned from playing RPG's throughout the years, it's that change is bad.

 

[IDtenT]

It has to get worse before it can get better.

 

[BING XI LAO]

One option is to use an ever-increasing list of word filters. Failing that, put Andrew Anglin in charge.

 

[Matalarata]

Oh God. Oh Father protect us. Didn't read the thread. Dunno what to vote. Only thing I know is I want to discuss gaems speaking my mind freely and I cannot speak my mind freely if I cannot game it a little bit. If things are going to change I'm going to just disappear since I know I cannot change, I'm sorry. Being sad and serious.
Won't vote because I can't. There's no point in doing it.

 

[mondblut]

Shut it down. Better die with dignity than turn into monstrosity. It's me dawcio btw.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to shut down RPGCodex.

 

[Rean]

Can't help but chuckle at the notion that the Codex should shut down to go out in some kind of blaze of glory, to immortalize this moment as if today's Codex is its most noble and beauteous version, and most deserving to be remembered.

It's not about it 'going out in a blaze of glory', you idiot. It's about the fact that if the nature of the website changes this drastically, it will lose all its appeal. This board is so enticing to all kinds of different ethnicities and individuals from all over the political spectrum because of its relaxed nature. There's a reason even ardent pinko authoritarians like sheep and taxalot would rather be here than the shitholes they advocate for.

Whether that place is a newborn construct, or the creaky old friendship we had right here all along, God willing I will see you there.

Shut the fuck up. You have 300 people ignored.

 

[Junmarko]

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to shut down RPGCodex.

Indeed.

 

[Percy]

DU is seeking attention because he lives in Australia and has no freedom anymore.
"This is the burden I bare for you racist cunts" is what he is really saying and he wants some sympathy.
Australia is peak clown world right now, so he probably deserves it.


This poll is a question with no right answer.
The RPG Codex will cease to exist if we carry on the way we do.
Either due to allowing too much "free speech" and being ban hammered by the fascist Australian Government or by being politically correct and becoming super duper gay.

Basically if we can not be more clever with our racism free speech we need to cut it out/tone it down drastically, if we want to continue enjoying the Codex.

DU or whomever, IDK is hoping we all get the hint by having the n word changed to African Americans and banking on the fact that most of us just say it because it's edgy and we're not allowed to anywhere else, thus losing all appeal now.

BTW: It is a really strange decision to have Site Feedback available to the public, it's basically General Discussion 2.0. I would hide this forum.

 

[NJClaw]

It's all bullshit and he'll never transfer the ownership of the domain name to anyone but himself, he'd rather kill the codex entirely. And he'll never even say what is it that's so terrible if he gets sued. Because let me tell you about the horrible thing. He'll have to pick up a phone and call a lawyer, and then make a codex campaign for legal fees, which is just a couple of clicks. What a hassle, oooof. Better play a victim on the forum to harvest some brofists and posts like "oh I appreciate your honesty, wow, so deep".

"Oh no, we live on borrowed time! Better shut down right now, before something happens!"

Meanwhile 4chan, piratebay, etc all work as usual.

Whatever. Idiots.

Jesus Christ, Bester, can't you just drop the act for once? Just this once, please. Please.

Only if you say "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD" and burst into tears.

Literally nothing happened. Relax your anus.

I'm not crying and I am not doing anything with my anus (fantadomat isn't around). I just find your "I'm the only big boy around and nothing deserves to be taken seriously unless I say so" act incredibly insufferable. It really irks me the wrong way, but then thankfully I remember that you wanted to post a review but couldn't do it because you didn't like the CSS and I calm down.

 

[Thac0]

Meanwhile 4chan, piratebay, etc all work as usual.

They'll ban you for using the n-word on 4chan these days. TPB is also not what it used to be.

It really depends on wether you rustly a jannies jimmies or not. I use AFRICAN AMERICAN infrequently on their rpg board, and never got banned for it, as I use it in normal posts or tongue in cheek. Never even got a warning for that.
Half of the time however a post containing AFRICAN AMERICAN will be removed from a non /b/ or /pol/ board, so I usually do not put AFRICAN AMERICAN in effortposts anymore.
So it is a bit more strict than rpgcodex used to be, as here I can write AFRICAN AMERICAN in GRPG and if the post is still rpg related it does not get retardo'd.

 

[A horse of course]

DarkUnderlord thanks for being (comparatively) upfront about it. Disappointing to hear to be honest, because I'm personally more concerned about free speech and censorship in the context of stuff I actually like talking about on Codex, i.e. games and similar media, not general politics. It sounds to me like the proposed plan is to make the RPG side solely about games (and maybe movies/comics/literature), and everything else relegated to the new politics forum.

This division would greatly benefit the people on codex who don't like to read "whining" about SJWs/political agendas in games, because they can immediately shut it down as being "off-topic" even when the developer is open about their intentions. You can't discuss a certain famous female character losing her guns because the project lead said gun control is good and it's more ethical for the protagonist to murder thousands of people with a bow and arrow. You can't discuss character design where the project lead said they deliberately made the main character ugly and buff. You can't discuss a fat code being removed from a game because the studio head said it's fat-phobic. You can't discuss the characters in a certain recent RPG all being various shades of brown because the art team were specifically instructed to not have any white characters. You can't discuss specific dialogue and a voice actor being removed from a supposedly faithful "remaster" of a famous adventure game because those lines conflicted with the team's politics and the voice actor was a white person playing a black character. You can't discuss a game adding trigger warnings, or the writers saying they changed a quest because it was offensive to ugly people. And so on.

Codex is one of the few places you can discuss videogames and everything around them AND not bite your tongue by not talking about certain topics even when they are, by any reasonable definition, just as on-topic to the discussion as gameplay mechanics, art direction or music. Go on other big mainstream forums and you are not only barred from discussing such topics, you are also often forced to (vocally) support their politics. If I want to post on a gaming site like that, there are plenty of bigger and more active alternatives to RPG Codex, so in that event I'd probably move on and join a smaller, more fluid private community that is less at risk of legal threats and such. The poll is unfairly worded in my opinion, because it's being used as a barometer of whether people care more about games or free speech. I care very much about free speech, because I like to discuss my hobbies openly and honestly. I 100% understand why the split is happening, but I don't really want to be a part of either neogaf-lite nor /pol/-on-xenforo.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Meanwhile 4chan, piratebay, etc all work as usual.

They'll ban you for using the n-word on 4chan these days. TPB is also not what it used to be.

Not in /pol/ or /b/. Only in /v/.

 

[Tacgnol]

The only way I think things could work is if people were still allowed to discuss political things in the context of video games on the Codex.

Even then, I suspect it will lead to the decline and eventual death of the forums.

 

[Thac0]

This division would greatly benefit the people on codex who don't like to read "whining" about SJWs/political agendas in games, because they can immediately shut it down as being "off-topic" even when the developer is open about their intentions. You can't discuss a certain famous female character losing her guns because the project lead said gun control is good and it's more ethical for the protagonist to murder thousands of people with a bow and arrow. You can't discuss character design where the project lead said they deliberately made the main character ugly and buff. You can't discuss a fat code being removed from a game because the studio head said it's fat-phobic. You can't discuss the characters in a certain recent RPG all being various shades of brown because the art team were specifically instructed to not have any white characters. You can't discuss specific dialogue and a voice actor being removed from a supposedly faithful "remaster" of a famous adventure game because those lines conflicted with the team's politics and the voice actor was a white person playing a black character. You can't discuss a game adding trigger warnings, or the writers saying they changed a quest because it was offensive to ugly people. And so on.

Keeping Gaming Drama around as a GD light for rpg related topics would migitate that a lot.
Wether you keep the 1 year registration barrier to reduce GamerGate drifters is then a question to reevaluate.
I wouldn't have much of a problem with removing the 1/year rule for all forums except Prosperium and Retardo and shipping politics and current GD off to a different site.
After all RPGcodex is the best website to discuss RPGs on the Internet and only a below average politics website where you can use more slurs.

 

[Lambach]

God willing I will see you there.

Yeah, no you won't, you have 295 people on your Ignore List right now, you sad little faggot.

 

[Grauken]

Free speech is best in life, as well as crushing your enemies and hearing the lamentation of their woman.

But you have neither

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Free speech is best in life, as well as crushing your enemies and hearing the lamentation of their woman.

But you have neither

Well if he's crushed all his enemies by now, then their women would be tired of lamenting all day long by this time.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

It's all bullshit and he'll never transfer the ownership of the domain name to anyone but himself, he'd rather kill the codex entirely. And he'll never even say what is it that's so terrible if he gets sued. Because let me tell you about the horrible thing. He'll have to pick up a phone and call a lawyer, and then make a codex campaign for legal fees, which is just a couple of clicks. What a hassle, oooof. Better play a victim on the forum to harvest some brofists and posts like "oh I appreciate your honesty, wow, so deep".

"Oh no, we live on borrowed time! Better shut down right now, before something happens!"

Meanwhile 4chan, piratebay, etc all work as usual.

Whatever. Idiots.

Jesus Christ, Bester, can't you just drop the act for once? Just this once, please. Please.

Only if you say "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD" and burst into tears.

Literally nothing happened. Relax your anus.

I'm not crying and I am not doing anything with my anus (fantadomat isn't around). I just find your "I'm the only big boy around and nothing deserves to be taken seriously unless I say so" act incredibly insufferable. It really irks me the wrong way, but then thankfully I remember that you wanted to post a review but couldn't do it because you didn't like the CSS and I calm down.

I take it seriously, but DU isn't. "It's just a hobby bruh". His words.

 

[IDtenT]

BTW: It is a really strange decision to have Site Feedback available to the public, it's basically General Discussion 2.0. I would hide this forum.

It was hidden and people complained.

 

[RNGsus]

DarkUnderlord

What is it YOU want to do?

It's not about what I want to do but about what I may have to do.

The choice in the poll is clear, because that's what the choice is. As numerous people here have pointed out - and know from experience - once you go down the censorship rabbit hole, where does it end? Right now we have one word. What about all the other words people can use? Where do we stop?

It doesn't. It goes right into turning the forum into another RetardEra. At which point we may as well shut the whole lot down.

As has been alluded to, the Australian High Court made a ruling recently which effectively means I (and the staff) may be responsible for the shit most of you idiots post.

Facebook defamation ruling by High Court exposes all page owners to lawsuits, not just the media

As much as social media has helped us to stay connected, especially for those stuck in lockdown, it has also become a home for vile and questionable commentary.

The High Court this week weighed into that issue, in a way, when it ruled that media companies are liable for any comments from the general public on posts they put on Facebook.

The case before the High Court directly involved some of the nation's biggest media organisations, but the consequences reach far beyond Australia's newsrooms.

If you're the admin of your band's Facebook page, or the local football club, or your own small business, it will matter to you too.
[...]
the court found that the media organisations were in fact legally responsible for comments on their pages, even though they played no part in drafting the remarks, because they had effectively facilitated the comments being posted.
[...]
The message from the High Court is that if a company wants a presence on social media, it's also responsible for moderating the content made in response to its posts.

"Any organisation which administers a social media account could also be liable for defamation on the same basis — for example, businesses, sporting clubs and community groups," he told the ABC.

"The decision gives potential plaintiffs such as Mr Voller the choice of tracking down the 'anonymous' person who made a specific defamatory comment and taking action against them, or going straight after the publisher — ie the owner of the Facebook account.

And that's Facebook. Where you're required to post under your real name. What are the greater implications for us?

As Roguey said: DU's been clear for years that he's not so much "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" but "Say whatever you want up until the point where it becomes a legal inconvenience for me."

The Codex has always been a fun hobby. And now, we have a bunch of "free speech" proponents who run the minute shit gets serious and expect me to die on a hill for them.

If you want to post shit on the internet, that's one thing. But if you expect me to take a bullet for that shit, while you scurry off under your fake name and proxy account, that's entirely another.

If you want to be "free speech", that's fine. But you can damn well put your name next to it and stand by what you said.

And how are those crying "free speech" going to feel when I'm ordered to hand over your identifying details to law enforcement authorities? You expect me to refuse and go to jail on your behalf?

Over an RPG website?

We know that a large number of the shit-posters register with free dodgy email accounts and use proxies. Are you going to tell me they're really here to discuss RPGs?

How would you feel if I require personally identifying information in order for you to post on the Codex? Enter your credit card details here so I know who you are, just in case someone decides to play games over some shit you posted.

But even then, that's not enough. They can come after me now. They don't have to care about you. And knowing half the shit-posters and trolls we have here, I guarantee you someone's already thinking about how much "fun" they can have with this.

We already had someone try to shut us down earlier this year.

On one hand, I could argue the likelihood of that is small. Who's really going to take it to court, and sue for defamation in Australia and actually take it that far? It's not entirely an easy process.

But on the other, it's a worrying trend. It's only a matter of time before someone tries it. And all we need is for one person to give it a go and suddenly, we have some very big problems.

Over an RPG discussion website.

So there. Move the site overseas, or turn the site into a strictly RPG forum. No general discussion at all, of any kind, because movies, anime, science, religion, and porn could all be defamation in our stunning and brave new world. There's a discord where people can go for that stuff, until the trannies there shut it down. I'm content with either. I voted RPG over free speech, and I've contributed to numerous campaigns. It will be up to your staff to keep this place from turning into retardera without all the regulars, who would otherwise filter out the watch and retards. The only way for Codex to remain Codex long term, is hand the site over to somebody in the States, where defamation is impossible to take to court.

 

[IDtenT]

I'd recommend Cleve, but he already moved to Down Under.