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Eternity Avowed - Obsidian's first person action-RPG in the Pillars of Eternity setting
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BlackheartXIII
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As I mentioned before, player agency will be utilize, regulated and appropriated to affirm the writers characters and narrative, you will play an immersive fanfic masquerade as an rpg:
Gargaune
Arcane
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No, I won't.
Tyranicon
A Memory of Eternity
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Modern rpgdevs: our worlds are so immersive that you'll feel like you've been transported back to the middle ages.
Also modern rpgdevs:
You say this as it's a bad thing.
Herumor
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I still wonder who was in charge of Karlach, because from the moment you see her / get her in your party, everyone just starts dickriding her for no reason whatsoever.
No idea her head holds to her shoulders too loosely to not fall off every time I saw her
My words exactly
S.torch
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Is not that these people are anti-player agency, is that they're just anti-player. They're against anything they perceive to be a player's power-fantasy. Be it romance or having a meaningful role in the game's narrative. The player character just exists to get lectured and educated, while being a vehicle for their amazing and godlike OCs throwing their sarcastic metacommentary.
One of the greatest joys of creating something is for other people to enjoy it together with you. But for these types it's the contrary: the greatest joy is listening to themselves talk.
One of the greatest joys of creating something is for other people to enjoy it together with you. But for these types it's the contrary: the greatest joy is listening to themselves talk.
luj1
You're all shills
Romance is not first order gameplay
the mole
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mansplaining
Old Hans
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on the flip side they really went all out with her beheading scene
Drakortha
Liturgist
Larian Cultist detected.
Avoid is doomed. Feargus Urquhart said so on Joe Rogan podcast and then sharted all over the studio.
Crescent Hawk
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I feel i need to defend myself since I have always disliked Larian. So no.
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IHaveHugeNick
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Judging by camping supplies they're playing on POTD on that stream, so that's kinda nice.
The problem isn't open world games being out of favor, it's that Starfield was shit even for Bethesda's low standards.
>shit game comes out
>it flops because it's shit
>"OMG THE GENRE IS DEAD"
>years pass
>another game comes out in that very genre
>it's good
>it succeeds
>"OMG THE GENRE IS BACK"
It's really just about whether a game is fun or shit, and nothing else.
Lemming42
Arcane
Not open world games in general which are obviously still popular, but this specific style that was more or less introduced with Morrowind and popularised by Oblivion and Fo3.
It's a subgenre that essentially hasn't innovated in any way in nearly 22 years. I'm not even joking when I say that probably the biggest quantum leap forward it's had in that time was Oblivion having Havok physics that let you pick shit up or knock shit around with arrows. TOW's foremost problem was obviously a deeply uniniteresting setting and offensively amateurish writing, but the game itself was a drag too because it was just a worse, smaller-scale version of something the vast majority of its players had already experienced five or so times by that point. You could see Fo4 suffering the same problems even back in 2015. Starfield was obviously crippled by bad design choices across the board but I think that's only part of the story; this subgenre needs something truly new to reinvent it because it's all been done before, and Obsidian seeming to deliberately try and create the most boring, boilerplate Skyrim clone imaginable (and obviously without Skyrim's breadth of scope or freedom of exploration due to lower budget) is the opposite of what we need.
I think even if Bethesda pulled it out of the bag and released something of equivalent quality to Skyrim today, it wouldn't catch on in the same way it did in 2011, because the entire model of gameplay is old news. Remember that Oblivion, despite being shit, was a smash success in 2006, because the whole idea of an open world game in that style was so exciting to the public. Fo4, despite being very debatably better than Oblivion overall, met with a mixed response at best.
How many games of this style have there been other than Bethesda's own?
It hasn't innovated because barely anyone makes games like this.
It hasn't innovated because barely anyone makes games like this.
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