Eternity Avowed Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[orcinator]

https://remapradio.com/articles/avowed-preview-xbox/?ref=remap-newsletter

Obsidian Entertainment, a developer best known for 2010’s Fallout: New Vegas and its series of excellent turn-based RPGs in the Pillars of Eternity universe.

So either Awoowed is so bad even this retard journofaggot can't stomach it.

Or he got Filtered and Awooowed is a normie unfriendly RPG that's sure to become a RPG Kodex Klassic.

 

[Elttharion]

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That photo is from March 2018, they've released four games since then. Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Poe 2, The Outer Worlds, Grounded and Pentiment

4 timeless masterpieces

 

[Roguey]

4 timeless masterpieces

That is correct: well-received by customers and made a profit over time (bad marketing), well-received by customers and sold millions, well-received with tens of millions of players on Game Pass, well-received Game Pass art title.

 

[thesecret1]

4 timeless masterpieces

That is correct: well-received by customers and made a profit over time (bad marketing), well-received by customers and sold millions, well-received with tens of millions of players on Game Pass, well-received Game Pass art title.

By that logic, Oblivion was a masterpiece

 

[Roguey]

By that logic, Oblivion was a masterpiece

There are a lot of elder Zoomers and Millennials who in fact say that.

 

[markec]

4 timeless masterpieces

That is correct: well-received by customers and made a profit over time (bad marketing), well-received by customers and sold millions, well-received with tens of millions of players on Game Pass, well-received Game Pass art title.

By that logic, Oblivion was a masterpiece

 

[thesecret1]

By that logic, Oblivion was a masterpiece

There are a lot of elder Zoomers and Millennials who in fact say that.

There are a lot of elder Zoomers and Millennials who say they're women after cutting their cocks off. But I suppose that is a good point – just like they can be "women," TOW can be a "masterpiece." Maybe we should call it a transterpiece?

 

[Roguey]

There are a lot of elder Zoomers and Millennials who say they're women after cutting their cocks off. But I suppose that is a good point – just like they can be "women," TOW can be a "masterpiece." Maybe we should call it a transterpiece?

Codex is the guy in the foreground when it comes to popular games that have remained popular for nearly 20 years

 

[thesecret1]

There are a lot of elder Zoomers and Millennials who say they're women after cutting their cocks off. But I suppose that is a good point – just like they can be "women," TOW can be a "masterpiece." Maybe we should call it a transterpiece?

Codex is the guy in the foreground when it comes to popular games that have remained popular for nearly 20 years

If you think Oblivion is the coolest thing ever, you might be on the wrong site. I hear RPGWatch is always looking for new members.

 

[Roguey]

If you think Oblivion is the coolest thing ever, you might be on the wrong site. I hear RPGWatch is always looking for new members.

I thought it was stupid and not particularly fun, but that just makes me an outlier and out of alignment with the tastes of the masses.

 

[thesecret1]

If you think Oblivion is the coolest thing ever, you might be on the wrong site. I hear RPGWatch is always looking for new members.

I thought it was stupid and not particularly fun, but that just makes me an outlier and out of alignment with the tastes of the masses.

And why should tastes of the masses matter, especially here of all places?

 

[Necrensha]

Hey this Oblivion thread is on the Obsidian section, somebody please move it to the correct place.

 

[Roguey]

And why should tastes of the masses matter, especially here of all places?

Why would any game developer care about whether or not something is considered a timeless masterpiece on the Codex?

 

[thesecret1]

And why should tastes of the masses matter, especially here of all places?

Why would any game developer care about whether or not something is considered a timeless masterpiece on the Codex?

Are you a developer? If not, why do you care what some developer thinks?

 

[kapisi]

What fell flat for me though was the “we don’t know what comes next” that I remember (it has been a few years). Obsidian couldn’t have reinforced how badly we fucked up?

But you didn't fuck up. There's a message of hope: kith must now sink or swim without the meddling of the AI Gods. A harder road to travel, but one that could possibly result in a better world. "No Gods, No Masters," - Josh Sawyer

Also saying that the Watcher achieved nothing is very surface level.

The Watcher found Ukaizo and actually learned what exactly Eothas did and why. This information at least gives people a headstart in solving the broken Wheel shit. Without the Watcher nobody would even know it's broken.

Roping factions in? They help you get to Ukaizo.

A failure instead of futility? You can have Wael's titan fight Eothas.

 

[Roguey]

Are you a developer? If not, why do you care what some developer thinks?

I accept my unimportance.

The photo was someone complaining that a bunch of women "ruined" Obsidian. Well, Obsidian's been doing just fine by any metric (financially, critically, user reception). The people on the Codex who hate the games they're putting out now very likely also hated the games they were making back then as well, so what's changed here really?

 

[S.torch]

Codex is the guy in the foreground when it comes to popular games that have remained popular for nearly 20 years

This may apply to Skyrim and Oblivion, because even with their flaws they can be enjoyable. But not to Obsidian's games which are all overwritten pseudo-intellectual garbage pretending to be deep and meaningful while being painfully mediocre. They're the opposite of coolest thing ever. Also saying games that are free on gamepass sold millions is an oxymoron.

 

[Roguey]

This may apply to Skyrim and Oblivion, because even with their flaws they can be enjoyable. But not to Obsidian's games which are all overwritten pseudo-intellectual garbage pretending to be deep and meaningful while being painfully mediocre. They're the opposite of coolest thing ever. Also saying games that are free on gamepass sold millions is an oxymoron.

Sounds like you prefer the lowbrow and find the highbrow very intimidating.

If a game has tens of millions of players on Game Pass, Microsoft considers it a success and what Microsoft thinks matters more to Obsidian than your very specific irrelevant criteria.

 

[Vulpes]

By that logic, Oblivion was a masterpiece

There are a lot of elder Zoomers and Millennials who in fact say that.

The Elder Scrolls is an anomaly because it was the first RPG series to successfully go multiplatform. It's not that hard to put Oblivion on a pedestal when its predecessor Morrowind, which had some of the worst gameplay and cookie-cutter quest design ever seen in a Western ARPG, was the first (and probably only) open-world RPG for most XBox players during the sixth console generation. Obsidian does not have this luxury. Avowed will be negatively compared to Skyrim just like how The Outer Worlds was to Fallout New Vegas.

And why should tastes of the masses matter, especially here of all places?

Because the Codex is too small of a community to sustain game dev studios by itself? Just look at Iron Tower.

The photo was someone complaining that a bunch of women "ruined" Obsidian. Well, Obsidian's been doing just fine by any metric (financially, critically, user reception). The people on the Codex who hate the games they're putting out now very likely also hated the games they were making back then as well, so what's changed here really?

PoE 2 and Tyranny were both financial flops, and the vast majority of Codexers who like FNV happen to hate TOW.

 

[markec]

Are you a developer? If not, why do you care what some developer thinks?

I accept my unimportance.

The photo was someone complaining that a bunch of women "ruined" Obsidian. Well, Obsidian's been doing just fine by any metric (financially, critically, user reception). The people on the Codex who hate the games they're putting out now very likely also hated the games they were making back then as well, so what's changed here really?

Sure they are doing "fine", they make safe mediocre games that will cover the production costs and maybe even earn a few bucks, will be praised by critics and fans will give a positive review on release day only to admit year later that the game was bland and forgettable.

People at Obsidian might be happy with such arrangements but I personally only feel disappointment.

Games before PoE no matter their flaws had some spark of creativity to them. A grossly overused term used describing PoE was that it lacked "soul".

I enjoyed and defended pretty much every game Obsidian released before PoE and I even backed PoE. Obsidian was supposed to be the saviors of RPGs, "if only those pesky publishers didnt get in way of their visions!". "PoE will be that game that they always wanted to make and without publisher interference!"

Instead we only got mediocrity, safe, sanitized, mediocrity.

 

[S.torch]

Sounds like you prefer the lowbrow and find the highbrow very intimidating.

Obsidian is not highbrow, they write stuff that pretends to be deep in the surface but in reality is extremely shallow. They're basically midwits in the bell curve. Old Bethesda would be on the left and hardcore stuff like Dark Souls or Elden Ring on the right.

If a game has tens of millions of players on Game Pass

That's still not selling millions. Because nobody is paying to actually play an Obsidian game, they're paying for Gamepass in the same way they're paying for Netflix.

 

[Tihskael]

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That photo is from March 2018, they've released four games since then. Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Poe 2, The Outer Worlds, Grounded and Pentiment

4 timeless masterpieces

Did anyone here play Pentiment? How really is it?

 

[Yosharian]

The photo was someone complaining that a bunch of women "ruined" Obsidian. Well, Obsidian's been doing just fine by any metric (financially, critically, user reception). The people on the Codex who hate the games they're putting out now very likely also hated the games they were making back then as well, so what's changed here really?

PoE 2 and Tyranny were both financial flops, and the vast majority of Codexers who like FNV happen to hate TOW.

Tyranny is also a shit game.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Tyranny is also a shit game.

The premise was cool, but the execution leaved a lot to be desired even outside of the unfinished main story. It might have had replayability and all, but I outright disliked all factions besides the Disfavored hence it did nothing for me in practice. Crazy faction was cringe, native factions were cringe (primarily the matriarchal cringe), fedora tipper assassin was cringe.

 

[thesecret1]

And why should tastes of the masses matter, especially here of all places?

Because the Codex is too small of a community to sustain game dev studios by itself? Just look at Iron Tower.

And what does that have to do with what I've asked? What's the logic here? "Codex is too small a community to sustain gamedev, therefore it should embrace the shit tastes of the mainstream"?