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Game News Baldur's Gate 3 Community Update #19: Mechs and the City

leuMOX

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y'know, I was watching this trailer and while I like D:OS1/2 and love BG1/2, it just occurred to me that BG3 might be one of the ugliest looking cRPG's I've seen in a bit. Especially the characters look god awful and the only sense of style the visuals have is a distinct lack of style.

ugly collage from this trailer alone:

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its embarrassing :(
The whole art direction have been steadily descending from a somewhat grimy realism into a freak show with screaming color palette. In this regard I am inclined to consider it a scam, given the promised art direction on the launch of the EA.
It's the hair.
 

motherfucker

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Larian doesn't understand what made Baldur's Gate great - part 511
To be fair, Bioware lost that understanding pretty quickly, too, based on NWN and whatnot.
The more studios attempt to re-create a classic RPG, the more I'm convinced that all the big names(BG, FO, PS:T, Arcanum) were just fortunate accidents in an era that was just right for them. Downvote(jk) me for doomposting, but after all the kickstarter era games turned out to be blunders of varying degree, I've given up on RPGs completely. This genre is dead to me.
 

Zed

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y'know, I was watching this trailer and while I like D:OS1/2 and love BG1/2, it just occurred to me that BG3 might be one of the ugliest looking cRPG's I've seen in a bit. Especially the characters look god awful and the only sense of style the visuals have is a distinct lack of style.

ugly collage from this trailer alone:

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its embarrassing :(
the eyes are too close together. beady little eyes syndrome
 

La vie sexuelle

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That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
 

Mortmal

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That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
Everyone prefer the ancient aesthetic, see through spider silk armor, beautiful female showing skin and also beautiful males, everyone wants that. But no, in this day and age of twitter hysterics , pseudo feminism and puritan woke , its no longer possible and larian wont dare that despite this will even boost sales.
A shame as the belgium comics and art are doing things lot more daring than that since ages.
 

La vie sexuelle

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That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
Everyone prefer the ancient aesthetic, see through spider silk armor, beautiful female showing skin and also beautiful males, everyone wants that. But no, in this day and age of twitter hysterics , pseudo feminism and puritan woke , its no longer possible and larian wont dare that despite this will even boost sales.
A shame as the belgium comics and art are doing things lot more daring than that since ages.
Oh, bandes dessinées were always more sexy and, in the same time, more mature than American comic (which I found funny, because for Americans sex means "porn for teenagers"). But I'm afraid is even this source of fun is going to dry. From ten years I observe massive quality decline in BD. Sure, we still have great artists and singular comics, but overall industry goes into cutesy pseudo manga and boring, poorly drawn autobiographical stuff about bad families.
 

Mortmal

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That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
Everyone prefer the ancient aesthetic, see through spider silk armor, beautiful female showing skin and also beautiful males, everyone wants that. But no, in this day and age of twitter hysterics , pseudo feminism and puritan woke , its no longer possible and larian wont dare that despite this will even boost sales.
A shame as the belgium comics and art are doing things lot more daring than that since ages.
Oh, bandes dessinées were always more sexy and, in the same time, more mature than American comic (which I found funny, because for Americans sex means "porn for teenagers"). But I'm afraid is even this source of fun is going to dry. From ten years I observe massive quality decline in BD. Sure, we still have great artists and singular comics, but overall industry goes into cutesy pseudo manga and boring, poorly drawn autobiographical stuff about bad families.
Of course massive decline in everything now.
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
That's Keith Parkinson's artwork for the cover of the 1986 adventure module compilation GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders, which collected the first six adventure modules published by TSR in 1978 (G1 Steading of the Hill Giant Chief, G2 The Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl, G3 Hall of the Fire Giant King, D1 Descent into the Depths of the Earth, D2 Shrine of the Kuo-Toa, and D3 Vault of the Drow) along with the 1980 finale (Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits). Aside from the last module, all were written by Gary Gygax, and they take place, at least implicitly, in the Greyhawk campaign setting.
 

La vie sexuelle

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Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
That's Keith Parkinson's artwork for the cover of the 1986 adventure module compilation GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders, which collected the first six adventure modules published by TSR in 1978 (G1 Steading of the Hill Giant Chief, G2 The Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl, G3 Hall of the Fire Giant King, D1 Descent into the Depths of the Earth, D2 Shrine of the Kuo-Toa, and D3 Vault of the Drow) along with the 1980 finale (Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits). Aside from the last module, all were written by Gary Gygax, and they take place, at least implicitly, in the Greyhawk campaign setting.
I checked that and...yes! I have read full article about drows on this wiki and it's quite surprising, for example:

Alignment​


As a race, drow are usually evil. Exceptions exist, the most notable being Leda, Nilonim, Jawal Severnain, Tysiln San, and Landis Bree, but these are highly unusual. In earlier editions, drow were chaotic evil. Beginning with Third Edition, drow are usually neutral evil. There have been encounters with nonevil drow, but these are distrusted as much as their brethren, due to their reputation.

Greyhawk had own Drizzits before Salvatore :-D
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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Greyhawk had own Drizzits before Salvatore :-D
Yes, the first novel written by Gary Gygax after departing TSR was Sea of Death, the third published Gord the Rogue novel, released in June 1987, and it featured a drow woman of good alignment, albeit one who was a magical clone of a conventionally-evil drow.

R.A. Salvatore's novel The Crystal Shard, the first appearance of Drizzt Do'Urden, didn't appear until the following year. :M

gord01.jpg


Way back in 1978, adventure module D3 Vault of the Drow did feature a captive drow who could be freed by the player-characters: "Nilonim, a dissident Draw captured in Erelhei-Cinlu where he led a band of rebels attempting to overthrow noble rule. He is of neutral alignment with a slight tendency towards good deeds."
 
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2:23

That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
Everyone prefer the ancient aesthetic, see through spider silk armor, beautiful female showing skin and also beautiful males, everyone wants that. But no, in this day and age of twitter hysterics , pseudo feminism and puritan woke , its no longer possible and larian wont dare that despite this will even boost sales.
A shame as the belgium comics and art are doing things lot more daring than that since ages.
Oh, bandes dessinées were always more sexy and, in the same time, more mature than American comic (which I found funny, because for Americans sex means "porn for teenagers"). But I'm afraid is even this source of fun is going to dry. From ten years I observe massive quality decline in BD. Sure, we still have great artists and singular comics, but overall industry goes into cutesy pseudo manga and boring, poorly drawn autobiographical stuff about bad families.
Marini is still fighting the good fight, but he's italian. Barbucci leans into the disneyfied manga style but I like his art. Then again, he's italian too. The guys who make Blacksad are spanish.
But then you had Bastien Vives and Angouleme decided it was a good idea to have him canceled. Makes you wonder what those kids would do if they had been around during the Druuna days. Again: Serpieri is an italian. I'm getting a pattern here, Mare Nostrum is a much more fertile and free landscape for art than filthy anglo-bretons :M

To stay on topic: Does anyone know when and why the depictions of drow went from black and brown to gray and purple-ish? Most of the times I get highly defensive answers when I ask this. I wonder (((why))).
 

lukaszek

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To stay on topic: Does anyone know when and why the depictions of drow went from black and brown to gray and purple-ish? Most of the times I get highly defensive answers when I ask this. I wonder (((why))).
its easier to make purpleish rubber toys
 

La vie sexuelle

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2:23

That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
Everyone prefer the ancient aesthetic, see through spider silk armor, beautiful female showing skin and also beautiful males, everyone wants that. But no, in this day and age of twitter hysterics , pseudo feminism and puritan woke , its no longer possible and larian wont dare that despite this will even boost sales.
A shame as the belgium comics and art are doing things lot more daring than that since ages.
Oh, bandes dessinées were always more sexy and, in the same time, more mature than American comic (which I found funny, because for Americans sex means "porn for teenagers"). But I'm afraid is even this source of fun is going to dry. From ten years I observe massive quality decline in BD. Sure, we still have great artists and singular comics, but overall industry goes into cutesy pseudo manga and boring, poorly drawn autobiographical stuff about bad families.
Marini is still fighting the good fight, but he's italian.
Swiss* and more than middle-aged.
Barbucci leans into the disneyfied manga style but I like his art.
Blessed masturbator, but middle-aged.
Then again, he's italian too.
You forgot about Manara. Old as fuck, but I love this guy.
The guys who make Blacksad are spanish.
And have problem with creative-life after Blacksad.
But then you had Bastien Vives and Angouleme decided it was a good idea to have him canceled.
Yeah. I even remember what this crazy Lady said. It was like "Oppressive patriarchy rules Angouleme. That's why we need minority and female judges. they should choose minority and female contestants. Then we achieve real freedom".
Makes you wonder what those kids would do if they had been around during the Druuna days. Again: Serpieri is an italian. I'm getting a pattern here, Mare Nostrum is a much more fertile and free landscape for art than filthy anglo-bretons :M
Grandpa Serpieri is still alive!
To stay on topic: Does anyone know when and why the depictions of drow went from black and brown to gray and purple-ish? Most of the times I get highly defensive answers when I ask this. I wonder (((why))).
Blackface. Explanation like "It comes from other culture" means nothing for people whose don't want discourse. So, drown are not black, there are really purple.
 

zapotec

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That reviling skirts looks like something from old Forgotten Realms.
All their stuff is faithfull to forgotten realms so far.

Yes, but still there is room for interpretation. For example, their drow looks like:

bju7qaa7owt71.jpg


Minthara is my personal favorite when it comes about characters. Her appearance is ok. Then, for drows I prefer more Greenwood estetique:

tumblr_piaqvvhehl1ro2bqto1_1280.jpg
Everyone prefer the ancient aesthetic, see through spider silk armor, beautiful female showing skin and also beautiful males, everyone wants that. But no, in this day and age of twitter hysterics , pseudo feminism and puritan woke , its no longer possible and larian wont dare that despite this will even boost sales.
A shame as the belgium comics and art are doing things lot more daring than that since ages.
Oh, bandes dessinées were always more sexy and, in the same time, more mature than American comic (which I found funny, because for Americans sex means "porn for teenagers"). But I'm afraid is even this source of fun is going to dry. From ten years I observe massive quality decline in BD. Sure, we still have great artists and singular comics, but overall industry goes into cutesy pseudo manga and boring, poorly drawn autobiographical stuff about bad families.
Marini is still fighting the good fight, but he's italian. Barbucci leans into the disneyfied manga style but I like his art. Then again, he's italian too. The guys who make Blacksad are spanish.
But then you had Bastien Vives and Angouleme decided it was a good idea to have him canceled. Makes you wonder what those kids would do if they had been around during the Druuna days. Again: Serpieri is an italian. I'm getting a pattern here, Mare Nostrum is a much more fertile and free landscape for art than filthy anglo-bretons :M

To stay on topic: Does anyone know when and why the depictions of drow went from black and brown to gray and purple-ish? Most of the times I get highly defensive answers when I ask this. I wonder (((why))).
It happened during the switch between 3.0 and 3.5. (Hasbro ?)
In both AD&D Monster Manual and Drow of the Underdark (2nd edition) they were described as jet black with some very rare albinoes, same in the 3.0 Monster Manual and in the Forgotten Realm campaign setting book ("the drow have skin that resembles polished obsidian")

So in 2003 "The Underdark" (3.5) was released and the skin tone of the Drow could range from "dark gray to polished obsidian". The 3.5 Monster Manual depicts a black drow but there is no refernce to the skin tone except a "this humanoid has a jet black skin" as a caption
 

almondblight

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But in our original prototype, the city was actually much more compartmentalised - a series of small, contained regions connected by teleporters. And so it remained until midway into developing the city, when we decided to make some major changes.
"[Swen] said, like, can't we just connect everything?" reminisces World Building Director Farhang Namdar. "And that was an interesting day."​
What's come out of that decision is something we’re very proud of. The districts of Baldur's Gate are now three seamless open worlds. No matter whether you’re investigating underground crypts, climbing the stairs of a towering citadel, or descending into hidden cellars, open-ended exploration reigns supreme. No longer are they broken up into much smaller chunks. This - though ambitious - means that we were finally able to achieve that grand sense of hustle and bustle, where all the stories within the city were truly interconnected. There’s plenty to discover, and to be distracted by, and nothing is off-limits. We wanted every house to have real characters who had stories, and who could offer quests with secrets to uncover.​

Too often this design makes game worlds feel tiny, like in Bloodlines where Strauss gives you a quest to find an evil cult, and the cult headquarters is a building directly across the street and covered in cult symbols (Strauss never bothered to look out his window?).
 

MrBuzzKill

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No, and she has cute postcoital tenderness:
Probably the first thing I'm doing when I'm finally playing this, is turning the narrator voice volume down to 0. I'd rather have a simple fade to black than listening to the narrator explaining what's happening
 

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