Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Saravan]

I was watching that interview ( https://youtu.be/yecUvbMnkhM ) and din't got. Why Vincke believes that spell slots are hard to new players grasp? A lot of games uses it. From Final Fantasy 1, PS1 Suikuden to modern games like Dark Souls 2. And note that i an mentioning consoele RPG's. For me, spell slots are easy to understand. You attune a spell and when cast, need to rest to "re attune" and use it again. And more powerful the magician is, more powerful and in greater quantity of spells he can "attune". It is a very simplistic abstraction. Same with spell circles. In a fantasy world, makes sense that someone who learned magic yesterday can only use the most basic magics while the strongest archagicians can use the most powerful spells ever. Even some games who uses "mana" tends to have spell circles like Gothic 1/2. On World of Darkness, they also separate spells by "dots"

• 1st Dot: Initiate
• 2nd Dot: Apprentice
• 3rd Dot: Disciple
• 4th Dot: Adept
• 5th Dot: Master

Anything above 5th dot is reserved to archmagicians which has access to archspheres. The same abstration is used on physical things. Firearms skill and even fame, where 5 dot fame is famous all around the world. I never saw anyone criticizing spell slots on dark souls. Nor magical effects from weapons whych degrades the weapon durability.

Because he is making games for retards.

Yeah because you need a PhD in mathematics to play Pathfinder.

 

[Delterius]

I was watching that interview ( https://youtu.be/yecUvbMnkhM ) and din't got. Why Vincke believes that spell slots are hard to new players grasp? A lot of games uses it. From Final Fantasy 1, PS1 Suikuden to modern games like Dark Souls 2. And note that i an mentioning consoele RPG's. For me, spell slots are easy to understand. You attune a spell and when cast, need to rest to "re attune" and use it again. And more powerful the magician is, more powerful and in greater quantity of spells he can "attune". It is a very simplistic abstraction. Same with spell circles. In a fantasy world, makes sense that someone who learned magic yesterday can only use the most basic magics while the strongest archagicians can use the most powerful spells ever. Even some games who uses "mana" tends to have spell circles like Gothic 1/2. On World of Darkness, they also separate spells by "dots"

• 1st Dot: Initiate
• 2nd Dot: Apprentice
• 3rd Dot: Disciple
• 4th Dot: Adept
• 5th Dot: Master

Anything above 5th dot is reserved to archmagicians which has access to archspheres. The same abstration is used on physical things. Firearms skill and even fame, where 5 dot fame is famous all around the world. I never saw anyone criticizing spell slots on dark souls. Nor magical effects from weapons whych degrades the weapon durability.

Because he is making games for retards.

Yeah because you need a PhD in mathematics to play Pathfinder.

how dare you imply otherwise

consider yourself exiled

 

[NJClaw]

I was watching that interview ( https://youtu.be/yecUvbMnkhM ) and din't got. Why Vincke believes that spell slots are hard to new players grasp? A lot of games uses it. From Final Fantasy 1, PS1 Suikuden to modern games like Dark Souls 2. And note that i an mentioning consoele RPG's. For me, spell slots are easy to understand. You attune a spell and when cast, need to rest to "re attune" and use it again. And more powerful the magician is, more powerful and in greater quantity of spells he can "attune". It is a very simplistic abstraction. Same with spell circles. In a fantasy world, makes sense that someone who learned magic yesterday can only use the most basic magics while the strongest archagicians can use the most powerful spells ever. Even some games who uses "mana" tends to have spell circles like Gothic 1/2. On World of Darkness, they also separate spells by "dots"

• 1st Dot: Initiate
• 2nd Dot: Apprentice
• 3rd Dot: Disciple
• 4th Dot: Adept
• 5th Dot: Master

Anything above 5th dot is reserved to archmagicians which has access to archspheres. The same abstration is used on physical things. Firearms skill and even fame, where 5 dot fame is famous all around the world. I never saw anyone criticizing spell slots on dark souls. Nor magical effects from weapons whych degrades the weapon durability.

Because he is making games for retards.

Yeah because you need a PhD in mathematics to play Pathfinder.

how dare you imply otherwise

consider yourself exiled

No please don't exile him, we need his Ontopoly-related memes.

 

[Silva]

Yeah because you need a PhD in meth to play Pathfinder.

Corrected.

 

[Silva]

Not lying, this looks better than any previous BG. But then, let's be frank, BG games were pretty shit, and only got popular because D&D. Actual gameplay don't hold a candle to the genre's actual good stuff like Ultimas, Darklands, Fallouts, Arcanum, Bloodlines, etc. It's basically a insufferable linear story game with little interactivity or reactivity except combat, combat, combat (and a poor combat at that).

While this looks nothing like the previous games, apparently drinking from the classics instead. This 15min showcase has more C&C than all previous BG titles added together.

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

I disliked that every player character seems to have a "badass superhero" personality, like they were all lvl 20 seasoned adventurers; I hope it's just a wrong impression from the shortness of the demo and that the unrevealed companions will have more range.
I also disliked the devil part, I'm not really eager about standing there left-clicking to browse through all the bullying-smug poem of some invincible dude; moreover the whole happening felt like a repainted version of the meetings with the gods of DOS2, which IMO weren't exactly exiting moments to say the least.
I liked all the rest.

yes me too, but all games do this nowadays. They all makes super heros, its really annoying. I don't see it going away really. I mean a 1st level swishy bard guy jumps off the ladder and its like the hulk jumped down from orbit and made a 40 foot crater.

Games are mainly for kids , you know and today kids - i mean teenagers and older ones are different than the ones in 80's or 90's and gaming industry is different. It's sad but true, times when gaming , or more precise crpg gaming was more for older players ends .
Now every crpg must be action packed crpg, full of colours and easy trophies.
Let's be happy that we have a niche for true crpgs here and there still .

 

[Harthwain]

Games are mainly for kids

"Games are mainly for kids" is a bullshit statement. The average gamer's age is around 35. Demographic charts show that the number of people who are in 18-35 is roughly comparable with those in 18< bracket. Even 36-49 and >50 segments are fairly large.

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

I mean mental, not only age. 35 is rather young . Im feel young still and around 40.
One problem is time for gaming very limited to most of over 30's, so games follows and try to be kind of arcade experience.
Anyway it's nice to have beef up crpgs with campaigns for over 100's hours.

 

[Thonius]

Mods will fix it....

 

[norolim]

Gameplay wasn't bad at all in that presentation. The only thing I didn't like about the combat were some aspects of the presentation: the over the top spell/ability animations and the god-awful sound effects. Why is there an explosion effect every time you select any spell/ability and than another one, when you cast it. My ears started bleeding half way through that video.

Writing is still shit and I don't see how it could get better, when talentless ideologists like VanOrd are responsible for that.

 

[Thonius]

Member when kool aid crowd told us they were placeholders... lmao I do.

 

[Robber Baron]

Writing is still shit

Please elaborate. A phrase or a dialog that you especially disliked would suffice.

 

[Sailor Woedica]

Lae’zel could definitely be a fortnite skin she’s that standout! I still reaaaaly don’t think anyone else is interesting...but the game looked like a lot of fun!

 

[J_C]

What's your stance on the onscreen dice roll? While I appreciate that they try to evoke the feeling of a pnp RPG, I think the adventage of computer RPGs is that you don't have to wait for dice rolls. Having to wait 5 seconds for every dicerolling sequence will be annoying on the long run. I would just keep that in the combat log, in the background.

 

[Robber Baron]

What's your stance on the onscreen dice roll?

Minigacha, gives the moment a little tension

 

[norolim]

Writing is still shit

Please elaborate. A phrase or a dialog that you especially disliked would suffice.

Well, I can't be bothered to watch it again, so this will have to do:

Joined: Monday.

 

[Robber Baron]

What's the point of discussions if you don't want to explain your point?

 

[hell bovine]

Liked the combat (and Lae'zel), didn't like the animations. Though they should've let someone else do the gameplay, because I'd have preferred to see how a battle plays out when someone actually competent controls the party.

 

[AwesomeButton]

At one point of the stream, a goblin goes back to sleep, after he gets mind dominated with a [TADPOLED] dialog line. Swen makes a comment "I wish I could do that, just go back to sleep like that". So Swen is having problems going to sleep. Not surprising, he's always looked rather hyperactive and obsessive.

 

[Lacrymas]

It can't be worse than Baldur's Gate 1

If it lacks the freedom of Baldur's Gate I and II and replaces it with D:OS linearity of "look we have yuuge open areas.... which you will have to traverse exactly in the order we want", for the sake of some shitty "improved narrative experience"

This is D&D and it has no retarded stat bloat, so they can't do this even if they wanted to.

RE: Party size - like we've talked about before, D&D PnP doesn't have set in stone rules about how many characters there can be in a party. Most adventures afaik are up to 5 (I know Curse of Strahd is 4 to 6), but I have to look it up to be sure. It's decline in the sense it's decline for a video game, but when playing PnP everyone usually controls just 1 character with a few exceptions.

 

[Cryomancer]

Games are mainly for kids

Source? And even if is the case, the average old school CRPG consumer is probably a completely different audience than a fortnite player.

Your perception is incorrect. I don't love Fallout 76, i only like single player CRPGs.

And you beloved AAA industry is shifting to MP due the fact that "live services" are more profitable. Morrowind got released in 2002. Oblivion on 2006. Skyrim in 2011. And we don't have a SP RPG from almost a decade. You blame "indies" for having less AAA rpgs, but the reality is that AAA RPG's are losing so much RPG on it that even visual novels has way more RPG than they and now, they are not only streamlining things.

Lets suppose that WoTC had gave the D&D/Baldur's Gate license to BioWare or EA. Do you think that they will make a faithful D&D adaptation? They will probably make it into another wow clone. As the new dragon age will be even more wow like than inquisition already was.

I an not saying that Larian is perfect, but they are certainly better than modern bioware or bugthesda.

 

[Delterius]

Lae’zel could definitely be a fortnite skin she’s that standout! I still reaaaaly don’t think anyone else is interesting...but the game looked like a lot of fun!

two words: league character

fierce!

 

[AwesomeButton]

This is D&D and it has no retarded stat bloat, so they can't do this even if they wanted to.

RE: Party size - like we've talked about before, D&D PnP doesn't have set in stone rules about how many characters there can be in a party. Most adventures afaik are up to 5 (I know Curse of Strahd is 4 to 6), but I have to look it up to be sure. It's decline in the sense it's decline for a video game, but when playing PnP everyone usually controls just 1 character with a few exceptions.

Not sure what area design has to do with stat bloat.

D&D doesn't have set in stone rules about how many characters can be in a party, but consoles have a set in stone limit of concurrently connected controllers.

 

[Lacrymas]

Not sure what area design has to do with stat bloat.

D:OS1 and 2 funneled you to down to a specific linear line of zones exactly due to stat bloat and huge difference between a single level. D&D doesn't have that, so their tricks won't cut it. Unless you mean they are designing corridors with the illusion it's open? We saw that this wasn't the case in the demo yesterday, you could go to the Underdark or to the goblin ruin/camp at least.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Not sure what area design has to do with stat bloat.

D:OS1 and 2 funneled you to down to a specific linear line of zones exactly due to stat bloat and huge difference between a single level. D&D doesn't have that, so their tricks won't cut it. Unless you mean they are designing corridors with the illusion it's open? We saw that this wasn't the case in the demo yesterday, you could go to the Underdark or to the goblin ruin/camp at least.

I get what you mean now, but I don't think it was the stat bloat that dictated the area design before. I rather think they simply don't know better than that. I'm generally suspicious of Swen because, first - his games always look better while he is demoing them than when you are actually playing. Second, he hasn't yet managed to produce a game that's worth playing beyond the first 1/3rd of the content.