Read Twilight of the Clans Book 3. It very specifically states Clan technician PPE is ~50 years behind the IS. Of course, by that time, ~50 years is 301x, so if we are comparing Clan to IS circa 3025, he is not too far wrong.
I'd assume that's because they don't care, rather than because they don't have the technology for it. The scientists could probably come up with huge upgrades in like a day, but the warrior caste won't allow it because non warrior lives don't matter. Same reason Clan life expectancy is so low. They could actually take care of people so they live beyond 60, but they just don't give a shit.
Either way, this is kinda irrelevant. That guy was talking about the invasion, so non military technology isn't that important.
The moron was talking about how there was no degradation of productivity. I pointed out there is. Not giving a shit and therefore not researching that area is automatically a degradation in productivity. Read his post again. He is basically saying that the Clan should be invincible because they have such a massive advantage in tech and war materiel without impacting their society's productivity. Which is absurd because not caring for the population is a degradation in productivity. If the IS went full Clan style in terms of research and war production, we would see a degradation in the quality of life in the IS, which the fool would gleefully point out as being a degradation in productivity (which in his context actually means impact on the society).
Going from 90 to 50 is lowering quality of life, but when one starts at 50 to begin with, then the
comparison is a lie.
Which is basically what he is about. He has lied, obfuscated and presented deliberately bad interpretation of facts in order to "win" an argument which he had already lost from his first post (see the post about the Spanish guy).
LOL calm down. Now to the meat of it:
How is the fact that the Clans were ahead of the IS a red herring? It is a fact that the Jaguars exaggerated the threat of counter invasion from the IS. At the start of the clan invasion the Jaguar force was capable of wrecking the DCMS, one of the largest great house militaries in the IS. The DCMS had to call on Fedcom reinforcements to beat back the Jaguars from Luthien. Post Tukayyid, when IS had united against the clans and overhauled their forces, it took a joint force of all the great houses to defeat one clan, and that joint force took massive casualties. So the numerical advantage the IS had was not all that significant in actual battles. A full scale attack on the clans was never feasible, otherwise the IS would have just rolled into the entire occupation zone instead of singling out the Jaguars and fighting the Trial of Refusal at Strana Mechty.
Rebellions in the occupation zone don't change the fact that it was largely stable. If it was not, the Spheroid clans would not have been able to give up their territory in the Pentagon worlds during the War of Reaving and flee to the IS. Having dissidents shot does not mean those dissidents were any where near unseating the occupying power.
How is pointing out the military strength of the clans fraudulent? The clans are a society with no real economy, isolated and in numerical terms, smaller then a great house. Yet the Jaguars can produce an invasion force that can smash through the DCMS, an opponent that absolutely overwhelms them. It took a massive joint force raised by an IS on a war footing to finally put the Jaguars down. By any measure this shows ridiculously productive clan society was despite all its flaws that it needed a united IS to defeat one clan.
When the clan invasion began, the wardens were already a spent force. The wardens were bleeding support throughout the political age. All the clans, except wolf, voted in favor of the invasion in the Grand Council. It was only post Tukayyid that the Wardens became somewhat relevant again and even then they were always out numbered by the crusaders. The ultimate driving force of the War of Refusal was Ulric refusing to play scapegoat and pulling his entire clan into it. If there was a genuine schism in clan society, wolf clan would not have been left isolated post Tukayyid.
Since when was it unthinkable for a clan warrior to go against the Trials? The final examination for all mechwarrior candidates explicitly allows cadets to breach zellbrigen. The decision to allow the Trials to be used in the IS invasion was a conscious choice made by the clans when the invasion was planned despite intelligence from the Dragoons that the IS has no knowledge of the concept. This decision was explained away by the authors using the clan contempt for barbarian Speroids despite it being a retardo decision. So as I said, by authorial fiat, the Trials were brought into the picture to give the IS a fighting chance.
Ulric goading the crusaders was only after the crusaders refused wolf advice regarding fighting great house forces. Ulric was also extremely distressed when the other clans bid themselves down to nothing before the battle of Tukayyid as it would damage their position as a whole vis a vis Comstar. Uric during the invasion had also directed wolf forces in a way that would secure their position as ilclan after Terra was conquered. Ulric was clearly playing for keeps during the invasion. His outright opposition to the crusaders only began after Tukayyid when the knives were out for him personally.
3067 is post Tukayyid. The IS could only catch up since the clans had agreed to the truce. Which was, it bears repeating again, a retardo move made by authorial fiat to give the IS a fighting chance.
