[BENCHMARK] Linux run games faster than M$ spyware/bloatware.

[JC'sBarber]

I'm mulling switching to Cachy, but every other distro I've tried in comparison to EndeavourOS has greatly disappointed me. I'm worried something will fuck up, and it will force me to return to Endeavour anyway.

 

[Catacombs]

If Endeavour works for you, stay with it.

Cachy is attractive to people trying to move from Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, or other distros. I haven't found anything that suggests moving from one Arch-based distro (Endeavour) to another (Cachy) leads to any kind of significant improvement.

Cachy would be my next stop if the Endeavour maintainers decide to quit.

 

[Necrensha]

OH NO NO NO NO

 

[Melcar]

Oh AI will come to Linux desktop. Just a matter of when and who will push it. One of the corpo distros? Maybe some hipster Arch derivative trying to be edgy and cool, testing the waters for an obscure patron of theirs with ties to MS. Both Red Hat and Suse are already dabbling in AI assisted desktop applications. Copilot already had a Linux client last I checked.

 

[Cryomancer]

 

[JC'sBarber]

Oh AI will come to Linux desktop. Just a matter of when and who will push it. One of the corpo distros? Maybe some hipster Arch derivative trying to be edgy and cool, testing the waters for an obscure patron of theirs with ties to MS. Both Red Hat and Suse are already dabbling in AI assisted desktop applications. Copilot already had a Linux client last I checked.

I wouldn't mind AI as long as it was 100% local, with no ties to any outside servers.

 

[Biscotti]

I don't get it. AI is already on the desktop, you can run a local model now if you want to. And if some trend chasing software package or DE decides to bake in some gimmicky AI, just don't use it?? Garbage software bloated with gimmicks is not a concept exclusive to Windows.

 

[Necrensha]

I don't get it. AI is already on the desktop, you can run a local model now if you want to. And if some trend chasing software package or DE decides to bake in some gimmicky AI, just don't use it?? Garbage software bloated with gimmicks is not a concept exclusive to Windows.

Nobody likes to have a ''helpful'' little thing that is permanently connected to the Internet and sending reports of whatever you do or say. The fact that you have the option to dodge it doesn't mean that people will be happy to see that they tried to shove it down your throat in the first place.
And it's not just one or two companies, everybody is trying to get into the AI market right now. Mozilla doesn't even mention Firefox in their future projects.

 

[Biscotti]

Oh, plenty of people don't give a shit. People that are still on Windows anno 2024 clearly don't. But that aside, part of the reason I switched to Linux is because I can say "Fuck off" to any of that and use something else, down to the very kernel. All we can do is hope the AI bubble pops at one point and companies stop shoving AI into everything to appeal to investors, but for now all we can do is be glad we still have the freedom to completely disengage from that shit.

 

[Cryomancer]

One animator with DECADES of experience in Adobe and M$ spybloatware shifted to Linux



Welcome to the Penguin side!!!

 

[Hag]

Wow, great ! 2025 will be for sure the year of Linux desktop !

 

[Necrensha]

Another one joins the cabal...

 

[Cryomancer]

Wow, great ! 2025 will be for sure the year of Linux desktop !

Nope. Linux reached 4% last year ( https://blog.desdelinux.net/en/Linux-use-on-the-desktop-4-percent/#google_vignette ) if reaches 6% this year, it would be a miracle.

 

[Hydro]

Why won’t Glowmancer want MS to spy on him?

 

[ferratilis]

Why won’t Glowmancer want MS to spy on him?

He can't afford a computer that supports Windows 11, hence all the whining. Either that, or he has some despicable shit on his hard drive.

 

[Cryomancer]

He can't afford a computer that supports Windows 11, hence all the whining.

Nope. Is because I like to have control over my PC. I have M$ spybloatware installed in a HD but I don`t boot on it for years. M$ spybloatware users don`t understand how shit their OS is because they don`t have anything to compare to.

Why won’t Glowmancer want MS to spy on him?

Because I like privacy.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

AI can be also private (local) and open source. Not necessarily from corpos.

 

[Hydro]

Because I like privacy.

There’s no such thing, glowie

 

[Arulan]

I didn't realize we had a thread.

I was dual-booting for a few years, but 2024 was the first year I exclusively used Linux and it's been fantastic. I made the switch to Wayland a few months ago now that Nvidia support really caught up. I actually just completed a new PC build and finished installing everything (I use Arch btw ).

Not much else to say. Valve's contributions to various open-source projects and direct development efforts have really made Linux a viable alternative. The almost console-like convenience of SteamOS proves that, to the point where most players prefer it on similar handhelds. And it's not far off for desktop use, especially with the way Windows continues to decline.

 

[Cryomancer]

There’s no such thing,

Absolute privacy don`t exist. However, Linux offer much more privacy than M$ spybloatware. That is my point.

Linux runs games faster, renders videos faster, runs my Tensorflow models faster, run Java programs faster, run even M$ spybloatware programs faster, runs older programs which I can`t run in M$ spybloatware, don`t come with spyware or bloatware. I have absolute control over everything in my PC. I really love it.

 

[ferratilis]

It's true that you have more control over your OS with Linux, but most people don't want control, they want convenience. If I were to only use my PC for work, I'd switch to Linux without thinking. It doesn't run 30 years worth of background services every time you launch, it doesn't peg your bandwidth while sending telemetry data to Microsoft, you actually know what's listening to your ports etc.

But for gaming, fuck no. Even with all the work Valve has put into Proton, gaming on Linux still sucks. Installing the unofficial patch for VtMB=pain in the ass. Modding old games like Fallout 1, 2, Kotor etc.=pain in the ass. And even in the off chance you get it working, it will start crashing at some point. If you're only playing modern titles, yes performance will be great and you won't have issues, but for older titles, prepare to waste hours tinkering with poor results. On Windows, I get most old games running after a quick visit to PCGW, which is just impossible on Linux.

 

[Cryomancer]

This point I partially agree. Installing RETURNING 2.0 for Gothic 2 in Linux was very hard and I could not make the game run with the new DX. But stuff like my Might & Magic VII for CD room copy I can`t run in M$ spybloatware no matter what. The GoG version works flawlessly. In Linux I can run this older stuff easier.

Emulator is also much easier to run in Linux. I never got the PS3 emulator to run in M$ spybloatware and when it run, run with much lower FPS. In Linux, it runs flawlessly.

 

[cretin]

But for gaming, fuck no. Even with all the work Valve has put into Proton, gaming on Linux still sucks. Installing the unofficial patch for VtMB=pain in the ass. Modding old games like Fallout 1, 2, Kotor etc.=pain in the ass. And even in the off chance you get it working, it will start crashing at some point. If you're only playing modern titles, yes performance will be great and you won't have issues, but for older titles, prepare to waste hours tinkering with poor results. On Windows, I get most old games running after a quick visit to PCGW, which is just impossible on Linux.

The only trouble Ive had with any games on linux is the peculiarities of certain mods or tools. BG series with the weidu tools, NLC7 for stalker because the .dll has a . in the wrong place that prevents linux FS from finding the right file, things of this nature. I have genuinely never had trouble installing and playing any game however including many very old titles. I'm not sure how you could tbh. Its mostly a matter of just identifying what library a game needs to run, and then getting the libraries is easy through winetricks.

The actual genuine trouble for gaming on linux going forward is that popular multiplayer games are moving towards a kernel level anticheat, which de facto rules out linux players running through wine/proton. Gaymers apparently not content with having uncle sam and M$ spying on them, are now wanting to trust gaming companies with their shit as well.

 

[Cryomancer]

About mods, even games with Linux version. I found easier to play BG2 with mods or PR:FM by running the M$ spybloatware version under wine than to try to use weidu on Linux.