Editorial BioWare says: Don't innovate, just give me more Elves PLZ!

[aweigh]

I've gotten blinded by the sun plenty of times while driving early in the morning.

 

[Dmitron]

When I walk out of the house in the morning there is momentary stutter as the large outdoor textures are cached

 

[Binary]

You missing a point here gentlemen: The fan base of hardcore RPG players that want a top down D&D RPG with all the stats you can eat is shrinking real fast, we are getting older getting jobs families hell even girlfriends and we are not longer a lucrative market .That's why ToEE sold so badly. Game was fine but to hard to get into. we can only sit here now and bitch about how things were and put our hopes in indie games which always turn out to be shit anyways. Face it, there won't be any new games for you, the scene changes. We are reduced to the role of old timers whining about how things were better before. I hated those old fuckers when I was a kid.

I think you are spot on. 2D is dying if not dead already. Stats-fest RPGs are dead unless it's AD&D (and usually dumbed down). One day we'll resort to playing only the "good oldies", but unfortunately we probably have a bit of graphics whore inside of us, and like to play an eye-candy RPG now and then instead of sticking to the 320x200x256 of VGA (when the best RPGs were out there...)

Regarding ToEE, it seems plausible that Troika went out of business because ToEE didn't sell well. I don't know the facts though, but think about it: your average gamer, hell maybe your average "XXIst century RPGer" is not a fan of a) turn based b) small isometric graphics c) AD&D systems. Add but a few smaller issues (bad inventory, dreadful choice of faces, bad story - they picked a terrible module) and indeed I guess that sales weren't as good as they could have been.

What's there to hope for the (near?) future? Replay all the old favorites? That might be the reality when DX10 games are out and people can't be arsed to purchase an OS that costs more than the rest of the PC

Ahhh nostalgia... just really ain't what it used to be...

 

[Araanor]

TOEE sold well enough, it just didn't go to Baldur's Gate type of numbers. Further modules from Troika wasn't that unlikely, Atari just thought they would saturate the market with too many D&D titles. So, we got Dragonshard, D&D Online and Demonstone instead. Wii.

(And TOEE wasn't Troika's last game.)

 

[elander_]

Face it, there won't be any new games for you, the scene changes.

Mount&Blade? AoD? Game remakes? B-games? Does this tells anything?

We are reduced to the role of old timers whining about how things were better before.

I don't whine. I explain to noobes in detail what they enjoy playing so much is dumbed down gameplay. Then it's them who whine. It's beautyful. :twisted:

Most of them react like retarded raped virgins who tought they played the bestast game eva, but some are actualy smart enough to question and think for themselves and go try the old classics.

I hated those old fuckers when I was a kid.

You probably hated me then. I never got anyone telling me what i played was streamlined shit.

 

[aweigh]

I wish an old fucktard had told me the shit I liked was streamlined crap when I was really, really into games. Now I know, esentially, what good games are, but I'm too cynical to enjoy most of them.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Face it, there won't be any new games for you, the scene changes.

Mount&Blade? AoD? Game remakes? B-games? Does this tells anything?

Eschalon, Spiderweb games, The Broken Hourglass, EVN, Space Rangers 2, the GalCiv series, etc. The scene changes indeed.

 

[Volourn]

"TOEE sold well enough,"

No, it didn't. If it had, it would have gotten expansions and sequels. Stop the bullshitting, please.

 

[suibhne]

"TOEE sold well enough,"

No, it didn't. If it had, it would have gotten expansions and sequels. Stop the bullshitting, please.

You're stupid.

Period.

 

[Ladonna]

I thought Atari didn't want to flood the market with NWN contenders, hence why they didn't allow another Module?

Heres some 'old timer' talking about his Nostalgia
http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/739

1988....imagine that many RPG's (Decent) games released in one fucking year now?

 

[Volourn]

"hence why they didn't allow another Module?"

TOEE came out in what? 2003 or 2004? NWN2 wans't even announced then, I don't think. A TOEE expansion would have likely would have been out in 2004 or 3005.. well before NWN2.

ON top of this, they DID allow another module.

LOL

The Codex 'knowledge' strikes again!

LOL

 

[Mr.Rocco]

Face it, there won't be any new games for you, the scene changes.

Mount&Blade? AoD? Game remakes? B-games? Does this tells anything?

Eschalon, Spiderweb games, The Broken Hourglass, EVN, Space Rangers 2, the GalCiv series, etc. The scene changes indeed.

What? Those're all indie products except maybe SR2 & Galciv. Those names you spew out tell the telling sign of what has become of rpg gaming today. There are no aaa rpg titles coming out from name brand publishers or developers that "codex" think it's worthwhile. The industy and audience has moved on whether you like it or not and it'll always be flash graphics and dumbdown combat, perfectly suited for console crowd first.

 

[Vault Dweller]

What? Those're all indie products except maybe SR2 & Galciv.

GalCiv is an indie game, and SR2 is a russkie game, so that's almost like indie.

There are no aaa rpg titles coming out from name brand publishers or developers that "codex" think it's worthwhile. The industy and audience has moved on whether you like it or not and it'll always be flash graphics and dumbdown combat, perfectly suited for console crowd first.

The "official" industry has moved on, but the audience is still there, patiently waiting. The GalCiv games did very well. Mount & Blade was a success. The Spiderweb games have their audience. EVN is not the first game in the series. Other games are still in development.

That's my point. Let the mainstream industry make their pretty, but empty games for morons and casual players. Let's wait for and support indie developers (and anyone else who cares about gameplay) and enjoy our niche.

Edit: Add Teudogar and Prelude to Darkness to that list.

 

[Volourn]

Except for the fact that the Codex supports those 'pretty, and empty games' by hyping them and buying them.

R00fles!

 

[Ladonna]

What games are those Volourn?

I can say quite easily that I haven't hyped any AAA game for god knows how long.

 

[The_Pope]

I've gotten blinded by the sun plenty of times while driving early in the morning.

Blinding is fine for looking at the sun, but most next gen games have permanently glowing faces and walls. Why? Bloom is next gen!

 

[Volourn]

"What games are those Volourn?"

Look at the news forums. The two companies spammed about here? Bethesda, and Bioware with Obsidian right behind them due to making BIO sponsored sequels.

How many here bash Oblivion before AND after its release? Nearly everyone.

How many here bought Oblivion within the first month of its release? A pretty decent number considering.

I think if youa re gonna bash a game or company than perhaps you shouldn't support them. Duh. Afterall, why should these companies listen to any complaints coming from the Codex when they know that the Codex is gonna fork over the cash NO MATTER WHAT.

 

[Ladonna]

I didn't 'buy' Oblivion, I assure you.

I did buy NWN1. I made a mistake. I thought it would be a new version of BG2 to some extent. My bad.

I enjoyed KOTOR2, even number 1 to an extent, and have nothing against Obsidian apart from the fact that they seem to be basically a Bio retreading company so far.

I personally don't HATE Bio at all. I enjoyed BG1 and 2, didn't enjoy NWN1. Didn't like the way they headed to consoles, so obviously didn't buy Jade Empire. Won't buy Mass Effect for same reason.

Bio and Obsidian are, possibly, two of the last major companies that still make something near decent Role playing.

The complaining you hear is because many believe that these two are not being all they could be when it comes to the games they make. This site is full of people who like hardcore roleplaying games, why on earth wouldn't they complain about something that they thought could be better?

If anyone here buys a game, or does not buy a game, thats up to them. The hivemind crap I hear about is just that; crap. I have seen so many different opinions on this forum that makes me believe that the hivemind rubbish is a construct by losers who get upset when their ideas a slapped down as they should be, and cannot take the heat.

If a forum full of Circle jerkers is more your cup of tea, then go back to your grouphug forums I have seen you in. But you won't Volly.

You come here to know the truth... :wink:

 

[Volourn]

"I didn't 'buy' Oblivion, I assure you."

I believe we established elsewhere. You don't have to keep telling me. I wasn't referring to you specifically.


"The complaining you hear is because many believe that these two are not being all they could be when it comes to the games they make."

Nonsense. BIO will NOT make a game that will completely please the Codex. Why? Because, the Codex isn't their customer base. The Codex can't afford to support BIO games. BIO will continue to make the games they do the way they do because it's what works for them.


"The hivemind crap I hear about is just that; crap. I have seen so many different opinions on this forum that makes me believe that the hivemind rubbish is a construct by losers who get upset when their ideas a slapped down as they should be, and cannot take the heat."

This is exactly why the Codex is known as the Hivemind. It's because the Codex can't handle other opinions and take it so personally. I mean, people must diss the Codex because they 'can't handle' the Codex? LOL Just because Codexers have different opinions on certain games doens't make it any less of a Hivemind. Even bees have different opinions. That's why they GO TO WAR!!!


"then go back to your grouphug forums I have seen you in. But you won't Volly."

A) You do realize I never elft other forums? One can post in multiple forums, afterall. Don't be stupid.

B) I'm likely MORE popular here than elsewhere. Heck, I'm accused of being a troll every second post it seems on the BIO and Obsidian baords. R00fles!

C) Hugs are retarded.

D) This forum is the very defintion of 'circle jerkers'.

 

[Ladonna]

Not bad Volly, not bad...

Bio could do many things that people here would like. The Bio children would lap them up and they would be praised for all eternity. I reckon Bio could steer their fans in the right direction easily....Just throw in a romance or two....

As for Hivemind: No. False. If someone disagreed with something here, and they backed it up with something near logic, they wouldn't get dumbfucked, and they would never get banned. They might get their feelings hurt, but they could turn about and say why their tormentor is wrong. From what I have seen the person that makes sense, regardless of seniority in posts (You would be King Volourn again! Yes I have been around for a while) gets teh win.

As for your last points: R00FLEZ!!!

 

[Elwro]

What? Those're all indie products

So what? It's even better as they're usually cheaper.

 

[aweigh]

I've gotten blinded by the sun plenty of times while driving early in the morning.

Blinding is fine for looking at the sun, but most next gen games have permanently glowing faces and walls. Why? Bloom is next gen!

Ah, yes, you are correct in this statement, BUT this bloomd thing is being replaced by HDR now. HDR makes you bloom-blinded only momentarily!!11