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[FeelTheRads]

ad hominum

Ad hominem.

And you're the one who started on this path, shithead.

red herrings

Know what that means? I doubt it.

I couldn't conduct a rational argument

I actually argued. You didn't.

Oh, of course I didn't directly argue the "Destroy all life is lame no matter how it's presented.", because well, it's simply a logical fallacy... yes, those you seem to like so much but don't know to spell or spot them.

I'd LOVE to hear, though, how you can back up this claim of yours.

 

[Fat Dragon]

Dicksmoker is trolling you pretty good.

 

[BethesdaLove]

Also, a Wild Wild West rpg - has it been done before?

 

[Forest Dweller]

ad hominum

Ad hominem.

It's a personal attack on you when I point out what your post consists of? I see. Your fragile mind simply can't stand criticism.

And you're the one who started on this path, shithead.

Forgotten your first post already? Here, let me remind you:

Uhm, yeah... just like The Master wanted to kill all humans.
Comprehension failure?

I detect ad hominem AND bullshit in that post. You certainly got off to a good start, I'll give you that.

red herrings

Know what that means? I doubt it.

I do. Do you?

I couldn't conduct a rational argument

I actually argued. You didn't.

So that's what they call it these days...

Oh, of course I didn't directly argue the "Destroy all life is lame no matter how it's presented.", because well...

You're a dumbfuck. Yes, I figured that.

I'd LOVE to hear, though, how you can back up this claim of yours.

See, this is the proof of your lack of intelligence, the fact that you actually need to have this spelled out for you. Because it's a cheesy way to make things epic. And while someone wanting to enslave everyone has been done a lot before, it makes more sense and has happened a lot in history. But name me one historical figure who simply wanted to wipe it all out. Just one.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Dicksmoker is trolling you pretty good.

Hey, let's indulge the kid, shall we?

It's a personal attack on you when I point out what your post consists of? I see. Your fragile mind simply can't stand criticism.

Fail. I was correcting you. It's spelled ad hominem not ad hominum.

Forgotten your first post already? Here, let me remind you:

Thank you. That was sarcasm. This is ad hominem:

you are a dumbfuck for trying to make that comparison.

I do.

OK, point them out in my posts.

So that's what they call it these days...

Yes, they're the opposite of incoherent babbling and personal attacks.

You're a dumbfuck. Yes, I figured that.

:yawn: You're getting boring.

See, this is the proof of your lack of intelligence, the fact that you actually need to have this spelled out for you. Because it's a cheesy way to make things epic. And while someone wanting to enslave everyone has been done a lot before, it makes more sense and has happened a lot in history. But name me one historical figure who simply wanted to wipe it all out. Just one.

There is so much retardation in this paragraph it's astounding.

Because it's a cheesy way to make things epic.

If used only in its basic form which I already mentioned. And even then it really depends on its presentation.

it makes more sense and has happened a lot in history.

What happened in history is irrelevant especially in a fucking fantasy game. Fantasy can have "destroy everything" villains just for the sake it. However, that was not the case in Arcanum as already several times pointed out.

But name me one historical figure who simply wanted to wipe it all out. Just one.

Again, completely irrelevant.

Must be sad when even Cloaked Figure can comprehend things better than you.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I seem to remember thrashing you in an argument, FTR, so kinda ironic, yes?

 

[Fat Dragon]

Where did this fairy tale come from where I don't 'comprehend' things?

You're always acting like a dumbass and you're surprised when no one takes you seriously?

 

[Forest Dweller]

OK, point them out in my posts.

I think I'll leave that to someone more willing to wade through shit.

So that's what they call it these days...

Yes, they're the opposite of incoherent babbling and personal attacks.

Which means you can't do it.

:yawn: You're getting boring.

Not as much as you.

What happened in history is irrelevant especially in a fucking fantasy game. Fantasy can have "destroy everything" villains just for the sake it.

Ah yes, the generic "it's fantasy so anything goes!" response. I was expecting this. Fantasy is a setting only. Human nature remains the same. That's why those little girls you keep fantasizing about don't want anything to do with you. They won't conform to your vision of reality. Because human nature remains the same.

However, that was not the case in Arcanum as already several times pointed out.

Yes, because since he presents a reason that means he doesn't really want what he wants, right? Oh wait. Sorry, I got lost in your head for a minute there.

But name me one historical figure who simply wanted to wipe it all out. Just one.

Again, completely irrelevant.

Thanks for repeating your dumbfuckery twice for everyone to see.

 

[Volourn]

"To everyone else: Arcanum's strength is C&C, not story. If you want to argue with Volourn focus on that instead."

Wouldn't be much of an argument.



'For what Arcanum was (A completely different world) what Kerghan was saying maybe made sense to him. To him it was JUSTIFIED, he thought he was doing the right thing - and that fact alone separates him from any other villain you have listed."

STFU. There is no justification for desiring the destruction of an entire world or an entire populace. that's retarded.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Ah yes, the generic "it's fantasy so anything goes!" response.

Again you fail at seeing the big picture. Yes, anything goes in fantasy as long as it maintains the verisimilitude of the of the setting or in this case the genre. Because, just as a note, fantasy is a genre not a setting.
But even in Arcanum's setting, a setting where magic exists and it can bend the laws of physics and where gods exist, Kerghan's vision of life being a disturbance of the order fits perfectly. And this reason makes his will to destroy all life not cliche.

Yes, because since he presents a reason that means he doesn't really want what he wants, right?

Literary suitabilities are too much for you, that's clear.
You see, reason really changes everything. Because if we go by your reasoning then every killing of a human is wrong no matter the reason, wouldn't you say?

 

[Volourn]

"
Exactly. He thought he was doing the right thing, he was in his right mind.

In other games the villain is crazy, sociopath, etc..

Kerghan is just calm, necromancer who discovered something that makes him think life is a mistake.

THAT is the beauty of it. THAT is what separates him from the master, from ME villains, from etc.."

You are more delusional than he is. LMAO


"from ME villains"

Except ME's main villain (the one pulling Saren's strings) sin't crazy, or a sociopath. It's a machine so it is much calmer than some silly stereotypical necromancer.



"And this reason makes his will to destroy all life not cliche. "

Bullshit. It's cliche. There's no way around it.



"He thought he was doing the right thing, he was in his right mind."

So did Hiter. So did the mother who was 'told' by God to kill her children. So did those who slaughter 'witches' in the olden days.

In otehr words, get off the crack.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Again you fail at seeing the big picture. Yes, anything goes in fantasy as long as it maintains the verisimilitude of the of the setting or in this case the genre.

That means not everything goes. And speaking of grammar errors...

Because, just as a note, fantasy is a genre not a setting.

And the only fundamental for that genre is the setting.

But even in Arcanum's setting, a setting where magic exists and it can bend the laws of physics and where gods exist, Kerghan's vision of life being a disturbance of the order fits perfectly. And this reason makes his will to destroy all life not cliche.

Alright then, let's hear your version of "destroy all life" that IS cliche.

Literary suitabilities are too much for you, that's clear.
You see, reason really changes everything. Because if we go by your reasoning then every killing of a human is wrong no matter the reason, wouldn't you say?

It's good to see you progressing through more logic fallacies. You have now reached the "strawman" fallacy, where you put words in my mouth and then argue against them. But you still have much farther to go before full mastery. Here's to hoping you can reach all 42 before this thread is over.

 

[Wyrmlord]

STFU. There is no justification for desiring the destruction of an entire world or an entire populace. that's retarded.

Don't bother Volourn, you may well be talking with the same people who think Kreia is a deep and complex character.

 

[Talby]

Wild Arms was sort of a wild west setting mixed with a generic medieval world. It's a jRPG, though.

I'd really love to see an Arcanum/Fallout style hardcore RPG set in the modern world, with no magic or supernatural/sci-fi stuff.

 

[MetalCraze]

Modern world is a boring setting as it limits the storyline very much. What will the storyline be? About WW3? Terrorists? Crisis?

 

[Wyrmlord]

Modern world is a boring setting as it limits the storyline very much. What will the storyline be? About WW3? Terrorists? Crisis?

Oh man, I was just watching that movie Adaptation yesterday, and this scene came to me when I read this post.

Screenwriter: What if the writer is attempting to create a story where nothing much happens, where people don't change, they don't have any epiphanies. They struggle and are frustrated and nothing has resolved. More a reflection of the real world?

Screenwriting coach: Nothing happens in the world? Are you out of your fucking mind? People are murdered every day. There's genocide, war, corruption. Every fucking day, somewhere in the world, somebody sacrifices his life to save someone else. Every fucking day, someone, somewhere makes a conscious decision to destroy someone else. People find love, people lose it. For Christ's sake, a child watches her mother beaten to death on the steps of a church. Someone goes hungry. Somebody else betrays his best friend for a woman. If you can't find that stuff in life, then you, my friend, don't know crap about life. And why the FUCK are you wasting my two precious hours with your movie? I don't have any use for it. I don't have any bloody use for it.

 

[FeelTheRads]

It's amazing how narrow-minded some people can be.
Yes, you fucking dumbfucks, destroy all life is a cliche and it remains a cliche if that's all there is to it, but in Arcanum it was more than that.

Next thing you'll also tell me that Torment was lame because it used the amnesia cliche, maybe?

Alright then, let's hear your version of "destroy all life" that IS cliche.

Do I have to repeat it the nth time for you? Cliche is THE cliche. That is when the villain wants to destroy everything only because he is mad or he wants to rule everything.

Also, Volourn, you have no place in this discussion being the Bioware fanboy that you are. Oh, but wait.. probably the Bioware villains actually have good (even better than Kerghan's) justifications for their goals, no?

So did Hiter. So did the mother who was 'told' by God to kill her children. So did those who slaughter 'witches' in the olden days.

Only, you know, Kerghan actually was backed up by the fact that he actually saw life as being a disturbance. Now, whether he had the right to take it upon himself to bring back the order and decide for "all life" is another matter. But powerful individuals tend to think they have the right solution. So there you go, Dicksmoker, the relation with human nature.

 

[MetalCraze]

Robots in ME said that they want to destroy all life and won't explain their reasons because you won't understand them anyway.
Guess even Karpyshyn understands how shitty his writing is that he doesn't want to add more crap with some retarded explanation of bad guys' motives. Oh wait.

 

[Volourn]

"Robots in ME said that they want to destroy all life and won't explain their reasons because you won't understand them anyway."

Why, pray tell, should the robots explain their reasons to their enemy? They obviously don't give a shit what the organics think. Besdies, it's rather retarded for the enemy to babble on to their target. Dumbass.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Do I have to repeat it the nth time for you? Cliche is THE cliche. That is when the villain wants to destroy everything only because he is mad or he wants to rule everything.

because he is mad

Kerghan wasn't mad? He seems like a pretty textbook case to me. Unless by mad you just mean someone who wants to do it "for shits" or something.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Why, pray tell, should the robots explain their reasons to their enemy? They obviously don't give a shit what the organics think. Besdies, it's rather retarded for the enemy to babble on to their target. Dumbass.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Volourn :<

But he has a point. There's nothing that pisses me off more in certain games/movies/whatever than when the villain does a 30-minutes-long monologue about his evul, foolproof plans to the soon-to-be-freed imprisoned hero, who'll use the info from the monologue to thwart the evul, foolproof plans in about 5 minutes.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Arcanum =/= real-life. I hope that's clear enough for you?

No, Kerghan is not mad. In the world of Arcanum life can be a disturbance of the order, like Kerghan saw it. And by saw it I mean SAW it with his own eyes, not something he simply believed.

 

[Jim Cojones]

Besdies, it's rather retarded for the enemy to babble on to their target. Dumbass.

They still babble about themselves in ME, but they add "you're too stupid, you won't understand". Now that is retarded indeed.

Roofles!

 

[Forest Dweller]

I'm sure Hitler saw some things too that made him think Jews were evil.

 

[FeelTheRads]

*adds Dicksmoker on the list of persons too stupid to live*

Btw, that's Argumentum ad Nazium or Reductio ad Hitlerum and I already took that apart when Volourn babbled about it above.