Incline Black Isle Studios Rebirth (Obsidian)

[Verylittlefishes]

Black Isle games were mostly great.

Obsidian games are mostly not great.

Questions?

 

[barghwata]

Black Isle games were mostly great.

Obsidian games are mostly not great.

Questions?

Fallout new vegas was amazing.
Alpha protocole was pretty good.
Tyranny was fine.
As for Pillars of Eternity, i never played that game but i have a feeling that people in the codex are exaggerating (as they always do) when they say it's terrible because they had really high expectations from the game before it came out, and then got disappointed.

Overall i think Obsidian is a pretty good studio, that has made great games before and has the potential to make great games again, even though they haven't been doing what they're best at lately (i blame sawyer personally), we will have to wait and see what will happen with Outer Worlds.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

As for Pillars of Eternity, i never played that game but i have a feeling that people in the codex are exaggerating (as they always do) when they say it's terrible because they had really high expectations from the game before it came out, and then got disappointed.

I finished both games and also backed Deadfire. These games have an interesting quests and some gorgeous battles, but overall they're trying too hard to be BG and its Sad!

Also Tyranny was good also as a concept, the gameplay was boring.

 

[barghwata]

Also Tyranny was good also as a concept, the gameplay was boring.

Indeed the combat was bad and the encounter design was pretty terrible and yet i personally think Tyranny is a little underrated, the character creation system was pretty good, especially the conquest system that allowed you to decide your character's history and initial standing with factions which affected the story later on, there is also plenty of C&C which you won't find in many RPGs nowadays, and the writing was decent, though sometimes a little bland.

It's no where near being a bad or shitty game, it's actually pretty good, but a disappointement neverthless coming from the people who made alpha protocole and FNV and wrote Mask of the Betrayer. Objectivley speaking however i still think it's a good game as long as you bear with the shitty combat and concentrate on the story/C&C aspect of the game, if you're a combat fag however the game sucks.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Also Tyranny was good also as a concept, the gameplay was boring.

Indeed the combat was bad and the encounter design was pretty terrible and yet i personally think Tyranny is a little underrated, the character creation system was pretty good, especially the conquest system that allowed you to decide your character's history and initial standing with factions which affected the story later on, there is also plenty of C&C which you won't find in many RPGs nowadays, and the writing was decent, though sometimes a little bland.

It's no where near being a bad or shitty game, it's actually pretty good, but a disappointement neverthless coming from the people who made alpha protocole and FNV and wrote Mask of the Betrayer. Objectivley speaking however i still think it's a good game as long as you bear with the shitty combat and concentrate on the story/C&C aspect of the game, if you're a combat fag however the game sucks.

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

 

[barghwata]

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

I highly doubt PoE has as much C&C or skill checks as Tyranny, does it?

 

[Duraframe300]

Also Tyranny was good also as a concept, the gameplay was boring.

Indeed the combat was bad and the encounter design was pretty terrible and yet i personally think Tyranny is a little underrated, the character creation system was pretty good, especially the conquest system that allowed you to decide your character's history and initial standing with factions which affected the story later on, there is also plenty of C&C which you won't find in many RPGs nowadays, and the writing was decent, though sometimes a little bland.

It's no where near being a bad or shitty game, it's actually pretty good, but a disappointement neverthless coming from the people who made alpha protocole and FNV and wrote Mask of the Betrayer. Objectivley speaking however i still think it's a good game as long as you bear with the shitty combat and concentrate on the story/C&C aspect of the game, if you're a combat fag however the game sucks.

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

Eh, theres a little more love put into it, just in the details and everything. It was ok.

That said, that's comparing it to Pillars, which while being that *Kickstarter WE'RE DOING OUR THING* thing had almost none.

By far the most soulless Obsidian RPG, even compared to the NWN2 OC (which had its few highlights).

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

I highly doubt PoE has as much C&C or skill checks as Tyranny, does it?

It formally has reputations and multiple endings, but this is all so stupid.

 

[barghwata]

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

I highly doubt PoE has as much C&C or skill checks as Tyranny, does it?

It formally has reputations and multiple endings, but this is all so stupid.

I see, i might give it a try, i don't think it's gonna be as terrible as people make it out to be, i am more worried it's gonna be mediocre which is kinda worst when you think about it, at least a shitty game will anger you and make you rage quit and uninstall but a mediocre game will keep you playing and hoping for more but never delivering, leaving you with a sense of dissatisfaction.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

I highly doubt PoE has as much C&C or skill checks as Tyranny, does it?

It formally has reputations and multiple endings, but this is all so stupid.

I see, i might give it a try, i don't think it's gonna be as terrible as people make it out to be, i am more worried it's gonna be mediocre which is kinda worst when you think about it, at least a shitty game will anger you and make you rage quit and uninstall but a mediocre game will keep you playing and hoping for more but never delivering, leaving you with a sense of dissatisfaction.

First PoE is better than Deadfire, though very generic as setting, Deadfire is boring as shit.

 

[barghwata]

Also Tyranny was good also as a concept, the gameplay was boring.

Indeed the combat was bad and the encounter design was pretty terrible and yet i personally think Tyranny is a little underrated, the character creation system was pretty good, especially the conquest system that allowed you to decide your character's history and initial standing with factions which affected the story later on, there is also plenty of C&C which you won't find in many RPGs nowadays, and the writing was decent, though sometimes a little bland.

It's no where near being a bad or shitty game, it's actually pretty good, but a disappointement neverthless coming from the people who made alpha protocole and FNV and wrote Mask of the Betrayer. Objectivley speaking however i still think it's a good game as long as you bear with the shitty combat and concentrate on the story/C&C aspect of the game, if you're a combat fag however the game sucks.

Don't know, man, playing it after the PoE was like doing the same thing again, but with horrible combat. Again pillars, again everything.

So i actually got around to playing Pillars of Eternity eventually and i have to say the game is utter garbage, personally it felt like playing tyranny all over again but with shitty writing, little to no C&C or reactivity, and 10 times more trash mobs; Tyranny is painfully better then PoE.

I thought the codex were exaggerating the shittiness of the game, but my GOD were you guys right.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Tyranny is painfully better then PoE.

In terms of worldbuilding and story design totally yes. Oh, look at this:

Chris Avellone - Tyranny 2017 - Original world and story design

But you could have a really interesting BG2-like combat encounters in PoE. Yes, you could. No such thing in Tyranny. Gimme my story mode.

 

[Nano]

This thread did not age well.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

This thread did not age well.

No.

Black Isle Studios is dead and will never return. Its former developers are either retired or so washed-up and bland that all they can hope for is a quick nostalgia cash grab.

Pillars of Eternity is an abomination, both in Beta and Gold forms.

 

[barghwata]

But you could have a really interesting BG2-like combat encounters in PoE. Yes, you could. No such thing in Tyranny. Gimme my story mode.

I don't know if i missed something, but i only found two such encounters in the entire game and they can't compensate for the avalanche of trash mobs i had to go through.

It played more like BG1 then BG2 really.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

But you could have a really interesting BG2-like combat encounters in PoE. Yes, you could. No such thing in Tyranny. Gimme my story mode.

I don't know if i missed something, but i only found two such encounters in the entire game and they can't compensate for the avalanche of trash mobs i had to go through.

It played more like BG1 then BG2 really.

I didn't say there were lots of them.

 

[vortex]

Current state of affairs.
Larian studios are nu-Black Isle Studios.
Obsidian has gone underground for some foreseeable future.

 

[Atchodas]

Current state of affairs.
Larian studios are nu-Black Isle Studios.
Obsidian has gone underground for some foreseeable future.

Obsidian are now living the dream making their dream games such as TOW and Grounded directed at audiences under age of 16

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Honestly thats probably for the better, their attempts at proper RPG games are so mediocre its insufferable

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Larian studios are nu-Black Isle Studios.

So many mistakes in the words Iron Tower ZA/UM.

 

[Trashos]

This post sequence is great.

Denial:

As for Pillars of Eternity, i never played that game but i have a feeling that people in the codex are exaggerating (as they always do) when they say it's terrible because they had really high expectations from the game before it came out, and then got disappointed.

Anger:

Overall i think Obsidian is a pretty good studio, that has made great games before and has the potential to make great games again, even though they haven't been doing what they're best at lately (i blame sawyer personally), we will have to wait and see what will happen with Outer Worlds.

Bargaining:

I see, i might give it a try, i don't think it's gonna be as terrible as people make it out to be, i am more worried it's gonna be mediocre which is kinda worst when you think about it, at least a shitty game will anger you and make you rage quit and uninstall but a mediocre game will keep you playing and hoping for more but never delivering, leaving you with a sense of dissatisfaction.

Depression:

So i actually got around to playing Pillars of Eternity eventually and i have to say the game is utter garbage, personally it felt like playing tyranny all over again but with shitty writing, little to no C&C or reactivity, and 10 times more trash mobs; Tyranny is painfully better then PoE.

Acceptance:

I thought the codex were exaggerating the shittiness of the game, but my GOD were you guys right.

I sympathize, man.

 

[barghwata]

This post sequence is great.

Denial:

As for Pillars of Eternity, i never played that game but i have a feeling that people in the codex are exaggerating (as they always do) when they say it's terrible because they had really high expectations from the game before it came out, and then got disappointed.

Anger:

Overall i think Obsidian is a pretty good studio, that has made great games before and has the potential to make great games again, even though they haven't been doing what they're best at lately (i blame sawyer personally), we will have to wait and see what will happen with Outer Worlds.

Bargaining:

I see, i might give it a try, i don't think it's gonna be as terrible as people make it out to be, i am more worried it's gonna be mediocre which is kinda worst when you think about it, at least a shitty game will anger you and make you rage quit and uninstall but a mediocre game will keep you playing and hoping for more but never delivering, leaving you with a sense of dissatisfaction.

Depression:

So i actually got around to playing Pillars of Eternity eventually and i have to say the game is utter garbage, personally it felt like playing tyranny all over again but with shitty writing, little to no C&C or reactivity, and 10 times more trash mobs; Tyranny is painfully better then PoE.

Acceptance:

I thought the codex were exaggerating the shittiness of the game, but my GOD were you guys right.

I sympathize, man.

Haha indeed; i really couldn't believe Obsidian could make such a shit game especially since Tyranny was pretty decent, and what's worst is i haven't played TOW yet and now i am afraid to play it because if it's shit too i will completely lose hope in them.