Incline Black Isle Studios Rebirth (Obsidian)

[PorkyThePaladin]

Obsidian definitely has bigger name recognition than inXile and Larian. I'd be surprised if any non-RPGer has even heard of those two.

I would be surprised if many non-RPGers know about Obsidian. They might subconsciously recognize it from all the loading screens in certain games, but I have a feeling most people associate New Vegas with Bethesda, as sort of a sequel/expansion to Fallout 3, and KOTOR 2 and NWN 2 with Bioware.

 

[buzz]

It's worse. I personally know people who associate Obsidian with "those fuckers who do cashgrab sequels to good games" ​

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Yeah, that's brutal. Well, glad they finally got their own successful franchise in PoE.

 

[Rake]

Obsidian definitely has bigger name recognition than inXile and Larian. I'd be surprised if any non-RPGer has even heard of those two.

I would be surprised if many non-RPGers know about Obsidian. They might subconsciously recognize it from all the loading screens in certain games, but I have a feeling most people associate New Vegas with Bethesda, as sort of a sequel/expansion to Fallout 3, and KOTOR 2 and NWN 2 with Bioware.

Ypou guys live in a bubble. No-Rpger knowing what an Obsidian is? I listen to 16 year olds talk about games in the fitness center i work, most of them don't have a clue who Bioware and Bethesda are.
They know Skyrim as this "cool looking game with dragons that was first in Steam charts", but have no clue about who developed it nor do they care...
Most casuals, are realy...casuals

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

It's worse. I personally know people who associate Obsidian with "those fuckers who do cashgrab sequels to good games" ​

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Ramireza]

It's worse. I personally know people who associate Obsidian with "those fuckers who do cashgrab sequels to good games" ​

Thats correct, but the group of people that learned that obsidian is the best RPG Studio out there grows more and more, thanks to Fallout New Vegas, wich have a fair good reputation out there.

BTW :

At "Steamcharts.com" PoE have a peak of 41K players, compared to 21k D:OS had :

http://steamcharts.com/app/291650#All

TBH: I dont realy know how exact these numbers are.

 

[roshan]

Let Sawyer make a Darklands-like historical RPG!

Or keep him as far away from CRPG design as possible. Only he could have taken an almost perfect formula and totally fucked it up.

 

[Eirikur]

Let Sawyer make a Darklands-like historical RPG!

Or keep him as far away from CRPG design as possible. Only he could have taken an almost perfect formula and totally fucked it up.

As long as he's not a writer I'd be good with it. A while ago he did a video response to the question of why there haven't been any RPGs set in medieval Europe, and he deftly evaded the obvious reasons because he's incapable of saying or writing anything politically incorrect. He'd probably view and write the history through a modern social justice lens. Thankfully Warhorse Studios are making a historical game which seems very authentic so far.

 

[Gozma]

Darklands is a good model to let you do whatever you want, since it's basically, "history through the eyes of people who were there at the time." Read the Malleus Maleficarum, take the guy at face value and make a game out of it. If people are butthurt about it, it's not like you're endorsing 15th century witch hunters.

 

[Night Goat]

Black Isle made World of Tanks clones and mobile card games?

 

[Roguey]

he deftly evaded the obvious reasons because he's incapable of saying or writing anything politically incorrect. He'd probably view and write the history through a modern social justice lens.

No.

 

[Viata]

Black Isle made World of Tanks clones and mobile card games?

I bet that if they did something like that, they would be still around.

 

[Azeot]

I'm no fanboy, but I think people are making shit up about sawyer just for the sake of it at this point. It's like, if you don't shit on him at least a lil' bit you're not with the cool kids.

 

[Rostere]

It's worse. I personally know people who associate Obsidian with "those fuckers who do cashgrab sequels to good games"

When you say that you "know" them I hope that doesn't mean they are your friends.

Darklands is a good model to let you do whatever you want, since it's basically, "history through the eyes of people who were there at the time." Read the Malleus Maleficarum, take the guy at face value and make a game out of it. If people are butthurt about it, it's not like you're endorsing 15th century witch hunters.

Yeah, I'm all for more historical realism. It's very odd when you get medieval settings with modern equality sensibilities. I hate it when people are sensitive about having bigotry in their games. If the PC wants to play as a fighting woman (one example of a very rare, but possible anomaly) they should be able to, but with penalties and being met with skepticism at every turn. And then of course you should be able to kill and dismember all the bigots who question you and hang their body parts from a tree.

In medieval Europe, silly stuff such as regarding two parts of the holy trinity as more related to one another could have you burned at the stake. In many places, peasants were little more than property of the noblemen. The bigotry and social problems of that era are all conveniently left out of most modern narratives. IMO it would be far more interesting to navigate a realistic, dangerous and bigoted medieval world than the horribly watered-down version we see most often see today.

 

[Gozma]

I'd actually kind of like to play a Darklands that knows the Malleus Maleficarum was basically an early post- printing press mass media phenomenon, and witch-hunting was a pop craze

 

[DemonKing]

I just want the people from WoTC to call them and beg them to start making D&D games again - it's hard work trying to learn another pseudo-D&D system! I just want a game where I can find a +1 Longsword and know intrinsically what that means rather than having to look up a bunch of stuff everytime I find something new.

 

[Perkel]

Fuck D&D. They should improve their system in PoE and make it Turn based. There are still some bollocks but system is good and has future.

Since they decided to do classes instead of classless they should in future introduce kits like in BG2.
Then remove artificial noble,adventurer specializations and do something else like point system in BG2 which should be different from overall progression.
Then introduce more movement options as default for every class.

 

[naossano]

It's worse. I personally know people who associate Obsidian with "those fuckers who do cashgrab sequels to good games" ​

On their own FB, some people associate them with Bioware padawan, with staff members being ex-bioware members, and having their games overrated just because they are Bioware friends. Most aren't even aware of the Interplay/Black Isle/Troïka thing.

 

[Volrath]

Let Sawyer make a Darklands-like historical RPG!

Or keep him as far away from CRPG design as possible. Only he could have taken an almost perfect formula and totally fucked it up.

 

[hexer]

I often wonder what made Black Isle Studios/Troika produce classics with ease,
while you have years later same people at Obsidian/InXile struggling to replicate the glory of their late 90s/early 2000s days.

Is it due to the general state of the market back then and today or due to a burnout related to their age?

 

[hexer]

What's the issue Infinitron , am I not allowed to resurrect old threads related to my topic?

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

I often wonder what made Black Isle Studios/Troika produce classics with ease,
while you have years later same people at Obsidian/InXile struggling to replicate the glory of their late 90s/early 2000s days.

Is it due to the general state of the market back then and today or due to a burnout related to their age?

I think they are making great modern RPGs. Nothing can beat 'your first time' but they do a fine job of chasing the ghosts of yesteryear. Stop hating everything new.

 

[hexer]

I'm not hating anything, at best I'm neutral towards most of their new games. I'm looking for a new classic though.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

I'm not hating anything, at best I'm neutral towards most of their new games. I'm looking for a new classic though.

Maybe it's the gamer not the game. Just saying.

Do you still get excited about games like you were still a kid? If not you might need to get your mojo back.

 

[hexer]

I'm not hating anything, at best I'm neutral towards most of their new games. I'm looking for a new classic though.

Maybe it's the gamer not the game. Just saying.

Do you still get excited about games like you were still a kid? If not you might need to get your mojo back.

Sure I still get excited about games .. I might have a gamer's soul.
I have 2000 games on Steam XD

But I'm picky.. my personal "Hall of Fame" consists of only 6 games.
3 of them are from 90s/early 2000s and 3 of them are new, just a few years old.

For some time I thought it was an issue with me, that I've became jaded but then I've discovered there are still devs out there that pour their heart and soul into their games.
That's what I'm looking for, a game with a soul I guess XD