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[Serus]

I want to add that if we claim that books with any kind of FTL are "fantasy" then half of the most famous sf writers, including many that are considered authors of hard sf, wouldn't be ones. Just think about it for a moment, i had a list but i won't help you being lazy, just go trough some of the big names in sf. Basically any sf that wants to explore possibility of life on other planets in other solar systems, or any kind of encounters with extra terrestrial intelligence would be "fantasy". Unless someone wants to play with sub-light interstellar travel but that also is questionable from science pov. That is insane, would make the term "fantasy" completely useless.
A book that contains one or two concepts that are scientifically questionable and then 90% of rest of the book is undoubtedly great sf, even hard sf, is still SF without a doubt in my mind. FTL as in starships simply accelerating beyond speed of light is fantasy because we do know (or at least we think so) that it is impossible. But treating the exact same way every other hypothetical way would make exploring so many other classic SF themes impossible. It is not even funny.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

I want to add that if we claim that books with any kind of FTL are "fantasy" then half of the most famous sf writers, including many that are considered authors of hard sf, wouldn't be ones. Just think about it for a moment, i had a list but i won't help you being lazy, just go trough some of the big names in sf. Basically any sf that wants to explore possibility of life on other planets in other solar systems, or any kind of encounters with extra terrestrial intelligence would be "fantasy".

Let me remind you that we have many examples of evolved life on Earth. Suggesting that extraterrestrials exist is one thing, but detailing anal probe visitations lies firmly within the realm of fantasy.

Unless someone wants to play with sub-light interstellar travel but that also is questionable from science pov.

Not really. Today interstellar travel is more of an engineering problem than a science problem.

That is insane, would make the term "fantasy" completely useless.

High fantasy. Low fantasy. Epic fantasy. Dark fantasy. Urban fantasy. Sword and Sorcery. Sword and sandal. Steampunk. Gaslamp. Dieselpunk. Isekai. Wuxia. On and on it goes...

Calling a story "fantasy" today is like using "rock and roll" to describe a new band.

A book that contains one or two concepts that are scientifically questionable and then 90% of rest of the book is undoubtedly great sf, even hard sf, is still SF without a doubt in my mind. FTL as in starships simply accelerating beyond speed of light is fantasy because we do know (or at least we think so) that it is impossible. But treating the exact same way every other hypothetical way would make exploring so many other classic SF themes impossible. It is not even funny.

Certainly, at the time it was written, H.G. Wells' The First Men in the Moon would have been considered science fiction. However, if the same story was written today, it would not be considered science fiction. Remember that science is not a static discipline. As our understanding of the natural world evolves, some themes originally within sci-fi get moved to fantasy and vice versa. That's the nature of a genre that is in part defined by something that stands outside of the whims of authors. I am simply applying this observation impartially.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

you might want to look up the difference between hard sci-fi and soft sci-fi before you go on autistic screeds

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

you might want to look up the difference between hard sci-fi and soft sci-fi before you go on autistic screeds

I suggest you do the same. Also look up scientific theory while you're at it.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

you might want to look up the difference between hard sci-fi and soft sci-fi before you go on autistic screeds

I suggest you do the same. Also look up scientific theory while you're at it.

we get it, you have a degree in wikipedia, now go get a real one

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

we get it, you have a degree in wikipedia, now go get a real one

How about the Proceedings from the National Academy of Sciences then?

Source: https://www.nap.edu/read/11876/chapter/2#11

In everyday usage, "theory" often regers to a hunch or a speculation. When people say, "I have a theory about why that happened," they are often drawing a conclusion based on fragmentary or inconclusive evidence.

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

we get it, you have a degree in wikipedia, now go get a real one

How about the Proceedings from the National Academy of Sciences then?

Source: https://www.nap.edu/read/11876/chapter/2#11

In everyday usage, "theory" often regers to a hunch or a speculation. When people say, "I have a theory about why that happened," they are often drawing a conclusion based on fragmentary or inconclusive evidence.

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.

lmao still beating up a strawman you constructed 5 posts ago

 

[mediocrepoet]

"Fantasy is gay, I only read novels about hard drinking, down on his luck detectives."

Don't read anything! Burn all the goddamned books!

 

[Hafnar the Jester]

you might want to look up the difference between hard sci-fi and soft sci-fi before you go on autistic screeds

Hard sci-fi is a super autistic idea, in which an author deludes himself he's actually writing non-fiction.

The difference is a myth. The bibliography of Stanislaw Lem is a proof to that. The guy thought that his works are some kind of predictions (there was even a, now long defunct, terminology for that: "futurology"). Now, 60 years later his works are aesop fairy tales with spaceships.