Game News Company of Heroes 2 gets Metacritic bombed by upset Russians

[evdk]

"friends" stabbed us in the back.

Welcome to WW2.

 

[Grinolf]

Wait, but soviets began to rape Poland sep 17 when all potato armies were already wasted by ubermensch Wermacht with loss ratio of 1:30.

Yes. In the plans, USSR and Germany would be attacking in the same time. But Stalin delay the USSR attack, so Red Army took it's part of Poland without much of resistance, when Poland as country was already done.
So it is stupid to blame loss of the war on Russia. And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

 

[evdk]

Wait, but soviets began to rape Poland sep 17 when all potato armies were already wasted by ubermensch Wermacht with loss ratio of 1:30.

Yes. In the plans, USSR and Germany would be attacking in the same time. But Stalin delay the USSR attack, so Red Army took it's part of Poland without much of resistance, when Poland as country was already done.
So it is stupid to blame loss of the war on Russia. And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

You surely mean that because they were backstabbed by USSR twice they should learn not to trust and stop complaining, don't you.

 

[Grinolf]

You surely mean that because they were backstabbed by USSR twice they should learn not to trust and stop complaining, don't you.

Of course it is not what I meant. I only say, that it is not good to complain, that someone backstabbed you, when you do it youself not so long ago.

 

[baturinsky]

Yes. In the plans, USSR and Germany would be attacking in the same time. But Stalin delay the USSR attack, so Red Army took it's part of Poland without much of resistance, when Poland as country was already done.
So it is stupid to blame loss of the war on Russia. And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

And "it's part of Poland" is actually Western Ukraine, that was occupied by Poland 25 years before, and happily cleansed of Russians and Orthodoxes (70 thousands killed, 100 thousands displaced).

 

[made]

Gulags, army without any weapons, Russians shooting their own soldiers in the back. By the third mission I was honestly expecting to see bear cavalry.

WTF no bear cavalry? No bear cavalry = no buy.

 

[Space Satan]

Well, Poland grabbed delicious Cieszyn Silesia from Czechoslovakia after Munich Agreement so I suppose it's karma.

WTF no bear cavalry? No bear cavalry = no buy.

Bear cavalry is for pussies. Winged Lancers can take any tank by furious charge!

 

[evdk]

Well, Poland grabbed delicious Cieszyn Silesia from Czechoslovakia after Munich Agreement so I suppose it's karma.

Didn't last long though, so who cares. Plus we had a bit of punch up over it in 1918 anyway, so it was mostly fair game (at a shitty time though).

 

[Grinolf]

Didn't last long though, so who cares. Plus we had a bit of punch up over it in 1918 anyway, so it was mostly fair game (at a shitty time though).

Same thing can be said about Poland and USSR. And it is not a try to justify some things, but request to not act from position of innocent victim, when it was very far from the truth.
It is not make others to acknowlege their own unpleasant actions, but simple annoy them.

 

[Necroscope]

Red Army took it's part of Poland without much of resistance, when Poland as country was already done.

The Red Army's invasion of Eastern Poland, in accordance with a secret protocol of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, rendered the Polish plan of defence obsolete as we faced a second front.

And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

I wonder who's the first then?

Well, Poland grabbed delicious Cieszyn Silesia from Czechoslovakia after Munich Agreement so I suppose it's karma.

The Munich Agreement was signed by Germany, France, the United Kingdom, and Italy so why would you blame Poland specifically?

 

[markec]

The Red Army's invasion of Eastern Poland, in accordance with a secret protocol of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, rendered the Polish plan of defence obsolete as we faced a second front.

YES!!! The total destruction of polish armies was just part of the brilliant plan to give germans false sense security and give polish a big handicap since otherwise it would be unfair to their enemy.

So the plan went something like this?

1. Complete destruction of our armies.

2. ???

3. Win the war.

Yeah totally sounds legit.

 

[Grinolf]

The Red Army's invasion of Eastern Poland, in accordance with a secret protocol of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, rendered the Polish plan of defence obsolete as we faced a second front.

YES!!! The total destruction of polish armies was just part of the brilliant plan to give germans false sense security and give polish a big handicap since otherwise it would be unfair to their enemy.

So the plan went something like this?

1. Complete destruction of our armies.

2. ???

3. Win the war.

Yeah totally sounds legit.

More so, territories, which claimed to be the last line of polish defense, were full of people, who didn't want to have anything with Poland. I definitely want to see how things would go, if USSR didn't invade. Shame on you, Stalin, for ruining such spectacle.

 

[baturinsky]

And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

I wonder who's the first then?

Czechoslovakia.

 

[Necroscope]

The total destruction of polish armies

(...) Polish forces then withdrew to the southeast where they prepared for a long defence of the Romanian Bridgehead and awaited expected support and relief from France and the United Kingdom. The two countries had pacts with Poland and had declared war on Germany on 3 September, though in the end their aid to Poland in the September campaign was very limited.
Facing a second front, the Polish government concluded the defence of the Romanian Bridgehead was no longer feasible and ordered an emergency evacuation of all troops to neutral Romania. On 6 October, following the Polish defeat at the Battle of Kock, German and Soviet forces gained full control over Poland. The success of the invasion marked the end of the Second Polish Republic, though Poland never formally surrendered.

 

[markec]

The total destruction of polish armies

(...) Polish forces then withdrew to the southeast where they prepared for a long defence of the Romanian Bridgehead and awaited expected support and relief from France and the United Kingdom. The two countries had pacts with Poland and had declared war on Germany on 3 September, though in the end their aid to Poland in the September campaign was very limited.
Facing a second front, the Polish government concluded the defence of the Romanian Bridgehead was no longer feasible and ordered an emergency evacuation of all troops to neutral Romania. On 6 October, following the Polish defeat at the Battle of Kock, German and Soviet forces gained full control over Poland. The success of the invasion marked the end of the Second Polish Republic, though Poland never formally surrendered.

Yes the whole 50 soldiers left sure would turn the tide if brits airlifted them some guns. I bet entire german command let out a massive sigh of relief when russians came and saved their asses.

Do you poles really believe this shit?


But your brilliant plan must have been design by cousin of Baldrick since is quite similar to one of his plans from Black Adder, here is the quote:

Blackadder: Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?
Baldrick: They certainly are, sir!
Blackadder: Well, forgive me if I don't do a cartwheel of joy. Your record in this department is hardly 100%. So what is it?
Baldrick: We do nothing.
Blackadder: Yup. It's another world-beater!
Baldrick: No, wait. We do nothing... until our heads have actually been cut off.
Blackadder: And then we... spring into action?
Baldrick: Exactly! You know how when you cut a chicken's head off, it runs round and round the farmyard and then out the gate?
Blackadder: [haltingly] Yyyyyyyeah...?
Baldrick: Well, we wait until our heads have been cut off, then we run round and round, out the gate, and escape! What do you think?

 

[Necroscope]

the whole 50 soldiers left

(..) on September 14 the Polish Commander in Chief Marshal of Poland Edward Rydz-Śmigły ordered all Polish troops fighting east of the Vistula (approximately 20 divisions still retaining cohesion) to withdraw towards Lwów, and then to the hills along the borders with Romania and the Soviet Union.

1 division = 5-15 k soldiers

This plan is one of the reasons the Polish-Romanian Alliance was not activated by Poland. Poland and Romania had been allied since 1921 and the defensive pact was still valid in 1939. However, the Polish government decided that it would be much more helpful to have a safe haven in Romania and a safe port of Constanţa that could accept as many Allied merchant ships as required to keep Poland fighting.
However, the Soviet invasion of Poland on September 17 (following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) made all those plans obsolete. As a result, Polish units were ordered to evacuate Poland and reorganise in France.

 

[Burning Bridges]

glorious cavalry charges against tank columns would surely turned the tide of war.

That's just another myth. They made cavalry charges on infantry, some of them were successes too, but with heavy losses. The Germans were impressed by the way.

 

[markec]

the whole 50 soldiers left

(..) on September 14 the Polish Commander in Chief Marshal of Poland Edward Rydz-Śmigły ordered all Polish troops fighting east of the Vistula (approximately 20 divisions still retaining cohesion) to withdraw towards Lwów, and then to the hills along the borders with Romania and the Soviet Union.

1 division = 5-15 k soldiers

This plan is one of the reasons the Polish-Romanian Alliance was not activated by Poland. Poland and Romania had been allied since 1921 and the defensive pact was still valid in 1939. However, the Polish government decided that it would be much more helpful to have a safe haven in Romania and a safe port of Constanţa that could accept as many Allied merchant ships as required to keep Poland fighting.
However, the Soviet invasion of Poland on September 17 (following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) made all those plans obsolete. As a result, Polish units were ordered to evacuate Poland and reorganise in France.

Seriously, Poles had around 20 understrength divisions probably numbering max of 100000 soldiers and with little or no heavy equipment in terms of tanks and artillery, against more then a million Germans with total air superiority. Try to comprehend how much help in manpower and equipment should have been given to Poles and in how short time frame to even stand a chance. The war was lost, only thing they could have done was to form guerrilla movement and evacuate their government.

 

[Grinolf]

the whole 50 soldiers left

(..) on September 14 the Polish Commander in Chief Marshal of Poland Edward Rydz-Śmigły ordered all Polish troops fighting east of the Vistula (approximately 20 divisions still retaining cohesion) to withdraw towards Lwów, and then to the hills along the borders with Romania and the Soviet Union.

1 division = 5-15 k soldiers

This plan is one of the reasons the Polish-Romanian Alliance was not activated by Poland. Poland and Romania had been allied since 1921 and the defensive pact was still valid in 1939. However, the Polish government decided that it would be much more helpful to have a safe haven in Romania and a safe port of Constanţa that could accept as many Allied merchant ships as required to keep Poland fighting.
However, the Soviet invasion of Poland on September 17 (following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) made all those plans obsolete. As a result, Polish units were ordered to evacuate Poland and reorganise in France.

You can copypaste from Wiki, but can't answer a simple question about how polish planning to defend against superior german forces after losing most of it's army and industrial base in the lands full of anti polish resistance. Now it is look like a wishful thinking, not a viable strategy.

 

[Burning Bridges]

The real problem was that France did nothing. In World at War, one german veteran said "we had only 20 (?) divisions in the West, and if France would have attacked, we could have held for no more than two weeks". I doubt that that's the case, but the Wehrmacht would have been compelled to transfer units to the West, and it was what the Poles were counting on. Alone against the Wehrmacht they had no chance of course.

 

[evdk]

And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

I wonder who's the first then?

Czechoslovakia.

Hey, we gladly sacrificed large parts of our country to make sure the peace in our time would come. It was certainly worth it

 

[Brzęczyszczykiewicz]

Yes. In the plans, USSR and Germany would be attacking in the same time. But Stalin delay the USSR attack, so Red Army took it's part of Poland without much of resistance, when Poland as country was already done.
So it is stupid to blame loss of the war on Russia. And Poland is last country in WW2, who must complain about backstabbing.

And "it's part of Poland" is actually Western Ukraine, that was occupied by Poland 25 years before, and happily cleansed of Russians and Orthodoxes (70 thousands killed, 100 thousands displaced).

Lol yeah poland geinoced poor ukrainians which is why these dead ukrainians later start Wołyń geinocide.

Unlike Holomodor which totally never happened.

 

[baturinsky]

The real problem was that France did nothing. In World at War, one german veteran said "we had only 20 (?) divisions in the West, and if France would have attacked, we could have held for no more than two weeks". I doubt that that's the case, but the Wehrmacht would have been compelled to transfer units to the West, and it was what the Poles were counting on. Alone against the Wehrmacht they had no chance of course.

Poland had 950k vs 1500k Germans initially. And gave up after losing only 200k dead. Poland just had not the will and skill to fight, just like France (and unlike Russians and British)

 

[Hellraiser]

I'm just going to say that the plan to hold the Germans on the western bank of the Vistula (and other rivers), long enough for the French and possibly British to actually go on the offensive, and thus prevent the Germans from occupying all of Poland, was outright unrealistic. Even under ideal circumstances, that is with Czechoslovakia not in Nazi hands, there's no way in hell the French and British would make it to Berlin before the Polish army would be de facto crushed. The COP (central industrial area) supposedly located and built in a safe region should war come was safe only by 1918 standards, that is before military aviation rapidly advanced. That's ignoring overall better numbers of both men and materiel and superior mobility on the German side. It would be simply unrealistic to prevent the Germans from successfully crossing all those rivers (the only natural defensive features) bar a major fuck up from the Wermacht's generals.

Granted even then the plan wasn't bad, it was as much as could have been realistically done, tie them up us much as possible and wait for liberation from your allies, hopefully before the Germans burn every city and village to the ground while fighting partisans. The bad news was the ones doing the liberating were led by that Georgian cunt and were bringing the workers revolution with them (also rape and looting). That and the offensive from our allies came only after one of them ended up neck deep in stahlhelme.

tl;dr : x

 

[Hellraiser]

Poland had 950k vs 1500k Germans initially. And gave up after losing only 200k dead. Poland just had not the will and skill to fight, just like France (and unlike Russians and British)

1) Poland lacked equipment primarily, what it had was mostly outdated. Manpower, no matter how well trained, means jack shit if you can't arm every soldier with the best weapons available which Germany could do. This was a modern era war not a fight with sticks and stones where numbers, tactics and training were all you need to win. Industrial capacity and technological advancement were the deciding major factors, everything else while still important was secondary. Kwan and Soviet industry won the war more so than any "will and skill" on either side did.

2) The only one with skill in that war was Germany for a long time, the rest needed at least 2 years to figure out how to wage war in the age of tanks and aeroplanes. If Britain didn't have the channel and royal navy between it and German-occupied territory it would end up occupied as well (especially without shipments from Kwa), hell they won the Battle of Britain in part because the dumbfuck fuhrer wanted to terror bomb london rather than wipe out RAF airfields for good when he had the chance (also Goering was a moron).

Everyone was lagging behind the Germans in military doctrine (lol at Russian skill considering their performance in the winter war in particular). It took them time to adapt (not to mention arm themselves properly). The Soviets didn't bite it because they moved their industry into Siberia way out of German reach thus greatly extending their capability to fight a conventional symmetrical conflict, otherwise even with Lend and Lease they would fall. Hell the soviet example in particular shows how important industry was, soviet troops while not complete cannon fodder dying like flies were mostly inexperienced conscripts, often peasants. Soviet military leadership was recovering from the great purge, a massive handicap as far as manpower is concerned. They'd all be bloody useless if not for the armaments the soviets could produce themselves or get from Kwa. Men alone don't win wars, men with tanks, guns and bombs do. So long as all those aren't useless against the enemy forces.

3) Please do show me how Poland gave up, France did as they did officially surrender (they couldn't win anyway, not after Dunkirk and getting encircled), Poland never did. Will wasn't the problem (see point 1 and 2), only a fool would stay when the odds of eventual victory were better if the surviving forces managed to regroup and join up with allies. If only because of having actual supply lines rather than eventually running out of guns and ammo while being neck-deep in krauts and panzers.