Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Tehdagah]

You’re trying too hard to be edgy, son.

CP2077 will feature shooting, brawling, stealth, and sabotage. Twitcher 3 only had swordplay supported by signs and alchemy. The former is obviously richer than the latter.

CDPR can't into gameplay anyway

 

[Prime Junta]

Someone called raytracing mainstream now but I think that's still a long stretch.

The PS5 and XBX will support it. That's as mainstream as it gets.

 

[Naraya]

Someone called raytracing mainstream now but I think that's still a long stretch.

The PS5 and XBX will support it. That's as mainstream as it gets.

Right, I was thinking of PC users. Judging from the Steam videocard survey it doesn't look like many people are using RT-capable GPUs.

 

[Prime Junta]

Right, I was thinking of PC users. Judging from the Steam videocard survey it doesn't look like many people are using RT-capable GPUs.

That's going to change really quickly with the release of the 3000 series. The 3070 and 3080 will have a quicker uptake than the 1070 and 1080 ever did. There's a lot of pent-up demand because the 2080 and 2080Ti are such overpriced turds. The 3000 series is the new 1000 series, and PC gamers won't be left behind by consoles.

 

[Ol' Willy]

What they see as "SJW agenda" or "multicult" or whatever are just core tropes in it. Cyberpunk was a reaction against the escapist square-jawed-space-marines-and-spaceships-and-galactic-empires-oh-my type sci fi that the genre was largely identified with before then. It was about technology on and under the skin, how that molds society and people, the logical outcomes of runaway capitalism, consumerism, and ecological destruction, mass migration, displacement, anomie. I was in early teens Neuromancer was published. I was already a giant sci-fi nerd, knew my Asimovs and Heinleins and Clarkes and Lems and Zeleznys, and man was it a revelation, the whole genre blown up and put together in a new and radical configuration. You had to be there, man.

OK, mate, it's not like that. I like Sprawl trilogy, and Neuromancer is a fucking masterpiece on it's own; I'l put it in my top-10 easily. But CP2077 is as far from it as possible. It reminds me more of a Snow Crash of all things. But Snow Crash had interesting plot about neural programming and wasn't too serious about the overall tone; CP2077 is dead fucking serious and I highly doubt that it's plot will have anything as good as Snow Crash. CDPR is copying external traits of the cyberpunk genre failing to understand it's deeper meaning.

 

[Sobchak]

No shit it's existed for decades, but now it's actually usable. It's also far cheaper for devs to use than spending a ton of time baking in lighting. This is going to be the main thing that pushes devs to stop making it an optional feature and go balls to the wall. We were just waiting for the hardware and with the next gen consoles and big navi both being able to do it we've hit the first major step towards getting it going - a big install base. The generation of consoles after that is probably where it will become mandatory

"No shit" you say but you keep being donkey stubborn on how you sell it (for some reason). So again... Yes it's usable, yet's it's nice to have and yes it's far cheaper for 3D programmers and yes it will probably go into consoles as well but it's not revolutionary, choose another word.

 

[Naraya]

Right, I was thinking of PC users. Judging from the Steam videocard survey it doesn't look like many people are using RT-capable GPUs.

That's going to change really quickly with the release of the 3000 series. The 3070 and 3080 will have a quicker uptake than the 1070 and 1080 ever did. There's a lot of pent-up demand because the 2080 and 2080Ti are such overpriced turds. The 3000 series is the new 1000 series, and PC gamers won't be left behind by consoles.

I agree with you and I highly suspect that's exactly what Ampere is going to do but I don't think calling RT mainstream now is correct, that's all.

 

[Prime Junta]

CP2077 is dead fucking serious and I highly doubt that it's plot will have anything as good as Snow Crash. CDPR is copying external traits of the cyberpunk genre failing to understand it's deeper meaning.

You sound awfully confident of that, considering how little we've seen.

Who knows, maybe it really doesn't grok cyberpunk, I'll have to see a lot more of it to make up my mind on that point -- but most of the specific criticisms about it here (bitching about the Moxes or dong customisation or Haitian hackers or whatever) are just wildly off the mark and betray a complete lack of understanding what the genre is all about.

And given Pondsmith's involvement and the generally high calibre of their writers, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Prime Junta]

I agree with you and I highly suspect that's exactly what Ampere is going to do but I don't think calling RT mainstream now is correct, that's all.

Then I think we're quibbling about what "mainstream" means. I start counting when a product generation and titles making use of it hit the market, you start counting only when they're widely adopted. It doesn't matter much either way IMO, as these will converge within a few months. So if you like, I'm happy to concede that RT isn't mass market now but will be by the end of the year.

 

[DalekFlay]

Right, I was thinking of PC users. Judging from the Steam videocard survey it doesn't look like many people are using RT-capable GPUs.

That's going to change really quickly with the release of the 3000 series. The 3070 and 3080 will have a quicker uptake than the 1070 and 1080 ever did. There's a lot of pent-up demand because the 2080 and 2080Ti are such overpriced turds. The 3000 series is the new 1000 series, and PC gamers won't be left behind by consoles.

Also I fully expect consoles to use RT in a more restrained way, selective reflections and surfaces, not everything, which will be easier for lower GPUs on PC to pull off.

 

[Daedalos]

Maelstrom = skinheads
Valentinos = Chicanos
6th street = trump supporters
Voodoo Boys = blacks
Moxes = feminists
Tyger Claws = asians

These gangs are so 2020, is this game supposed to be futuristic ?

the funny part is, even if they're clearly divided by race, you probably not going to see any mention of race or any racial slur. So they're going with current american racial issues theme only in a very superficially/politically correct way. Again, to cater to muricans.

All of those except the Moxies were already in Cyberpunk 2020.

Also, if you haven't grokked that cyberpunk -- the genre and the game -- always was multicultural, filled to the brim with queers, stronk women street warriors, crystal meth fueled gay orgies, and a massive anticapitalist, environmentalist subtext, you're either dumb as a barrel of rocks or completely unfamiliar with it.

It's like people thought cyberpunk was super monotone and homogenous (pun intended)... if anything, SJW and all that woke shit belongs in cyberpunk, but with a fucked up satisfying twist of present day shenanigans.

 

[Yosharian]

There's the rub, innit? I'll take a maximally pretty 1080p at 60 fps over less pretty 4K at the same fps, and any more fps would be wasted on me anyway as I have a 60 Hz monitor. So yeah subjective.

Be wary, when you get a 144hz monitor it changes your calculus. Once you get used to high refresh suddenly 60 feels sluggish and choppy, like 30fps does to you now. It's funny because it's a product I love that I would still warn people about because of this effect. Can't really think of a parallel... eating sugar and getting fat I guess? Anyway I'm sitting there playing Control, flipping back and forth between native res 60fps, DLSS and ray tracing 60fps, or DLSS no ray tracing and 100fps, and man it is SO hard to turn off that 100fps feeling. It's heroin in your veins.

100 FPS feels sluggish to me ..

 

[Naraya]

I agree with you and I highly suspect that's exactly what Ampere is going to do but I don't think calling RT mainstream now is correct, that's all.

Then I think we're quibbling about what "mainstream" means. I start counting when a product generation and titles making use of it hit the market, you start counting only when they're widely adopted. It doesn't matter much either way IMO, as these will converge within a few months. So if you like, I'm happy to concede that RT isn't mass market now but will be by the end of the year.

I was thinking a bit more about it and I really think that my definition is "better" (no offence). Remember 3D TV? At some point a big part (not sure if majority) of TV units/models were sold as "3D-ready". And where is 3D TV today? It went the way of the dodo.

I'm not saying that RT won't catch up - companies, influencers and graphic whores won't allow it. But I'd never say that there was a period when 3D TV was mainstream.

 

[Dexter]

Also, if you haven't grokked that cyberpunk -- the genre and the game -- always was multicultural, filled to the brim with queers, stronk women street warriors, crystal meth fueled gay orgies, and a massive anticapitalist, environmentalist subtext, you're either dumb as a barrel of rocks or completely unfamiliar with it.

I'm not very surprised to hear an aging Commie say Cyberpunk was about "Queers, Stronk Womyn and Gay Orgies" but that's just wrong and a Presentist reinterpretation of the genre to current SJW sensibilities, if you also add in the Tranny pandering. It doesn't even make any sense, since it's always been considered a Dystopia regarding corporate overreach, the fusion of man and machine and the following loss of humanity and meaning that brings with it and not something aspirational. But Trannies and other undesirables are trying to retool it into their "gender non-binary" Utopia where they finally get what they so desire without consequences.

Fact is none of these things were a big topic in Cyberpunk cinema, games and major works - They weren't really a big topic at all, J.K. Rowling saying what she now does even half a decade ago would have been considered a sensible stable individual and not Uberhitler sparking a new age of book burning among the ascendant left. And at the beginning of Obama's first term in office even he couldn't talk about "gay marriage" in polite society for elect-ability reasons. If this game came out in 2010 or even 2015 like Witcher 3 (especially if it was with the development team they had then) it would have an entirely different tone (you can see the changes even by comparing their Trailers over time) and there certainly wouldn't have been "Gang Sensitivity Consultants" involved in its production. But I think we've been over this very thing before in this thread several times, it's weird that you people keep bringing it up like it would become any more true if you just repeat it often enough: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ng-november-19th.122398/page-271#post-6647085

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

It's like people thought cyberpunk was super monotone and homogenous (pun intended)... if anything, SJW and all that woke shit belongs in cyberpunk, but with a fucked up satisfying twist of present day shenanigans.

Again, if they're so divided why there's no real racial motivations behind them ? i doubt there'll be any racism in the game. CD Projekt Red is a woke Company trying to portray the shit that it is a multicultural society and at the same time without doing anything considered "offensive".

So they're just pretending to be based and politically incorrect, in reality, this game is mainstream as it can get. HARD PASS !

 

[Jenkem]

LOL now Cunta is shilling for this? As if we needed anymore evidence that Soyberpunk will be shit...

 

[ChildInTime]

It's like people thought cyberpunk was super monotone and homogenous (pun intended)... if anything, SJW and all that woke shit belongs in cyberpunk, but with a fucked up satisfying twist of present day shenanigans.

Again, if they're so divided why there's no real racial motivations behind them ? i doubt there'll be any racism in the game. CD Projekt Red is a woke Company trying to portray the shit that it is a multicultural society and at the same time without doing anything considered "offensive".

So they're just pretending to be based and politically incorrect, in reality, this game is mainstream as it can get. HARD PASS !

I hope you are wrong, and they actually do have some tensions based on race and all that. Although more likely than not you are right and we will get a castrated version of "ethnic gangs" with nothing hinting at any of the real world shit.

 

[Theldaran]

People, Twitcher 3 reigned supreme for the same reasons than Cyberpunk: it looked awesome. It's one of the greatest landscape simulators. Cyberpunk won't be as beautiful, but it will be interesting to watch.

These are the kind of games the hardcore PC clique enjoys: extremely meh in the way of gameplay, but it makes your Nvidia purchase worthwhile. Fallout 4 all over again.

 

[Zer0wing]

It's literally an entirely new architecture with the typical performance boost that comes with that. It's going to be up to 20% faster than Zen 2, have an improved memory controller, and move from 4 core to 8 core ccx which means you can have up to 8 cores without the infinity fabric lagging things up. Zen 3 is probably going to be the first Zen based cpu that beats intel in gaming

We'll see. So far the only known upgrade is CCD being one solid 8-core and unified access to 32MB L3 chiplet. If anything 3300X release is suggesting, all core boost clocks will be much harder to sustain and will be lower. Gaming powerhouse? E-eh... Where's the info on new I/O-let? To be a new architecture, it's the first thing that should be redesigned completely.
In fact, I own 3300X, one of the better sillicons built in Malaysia with utmost care. To hit 4.4Ghz under load without overclocking I had to track down one of those scythe coolers with flat nickel plating.

 

[GhostCow]

It's literally an entirely new architecture with the typical performance boost that comes with that. It's going to be up to 20% faster than Zen 2, have an improved memory controller, and move from 4 core to 8 core ccx which means you can have up to 8 cores without the infinity fabric lagging things up. Zen 3 is probably going to be the first Zen based cpu that beats intel in gaming

We'll see. So far the only known upgrade is CCD being one solid 8-core and unified access to 32MB L3 chiplet. If anything 3300X release is suggesting, all core boost clocks will be much harder to sustain and will be lower. Gaming powerhouse? E-eh... Where's the info on new I/O-let?
In fact, I own 3300X, one of the better sillicons built in Malaysia with utmost care. To hit 4.4Ghz under load without overclocking I had to track down one of those scythe coolers with flat nickel plating.

We're supposed to see 100mhz-300mhz higher clocks and longer sustained boosts too. A 4.9ghz engineering sample was spotted recently. I'm going with a 360mm AIO just in case so I'm not too worried about cooling or how well the stock coolers do. As far as the gaming performance goes it seems that the lag from the infinity fabric is the main thing holding Zen back in gaming which is why I expect 8 core or less Zen 3 to match or beat Intel. This isn't taking rocket lake into account but I don't expect RL to be a big deal so meh.

They've been saying it's a new architecture since at least November of last year but here's a more recent article that mentions it: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-zen-3-new-architecture-tick-tock

There were also some new leaks about 8 days ago that are sounding really good. If the 50% increase in floating point operations turns out to be true then that will be amazing for gaming: https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-ryzen-4000-vermeer-cpus-detailed-up-to-16-cores-32-threads/

 

[Kev Inkline]

Why are you talking so much about Gibson ITT? According to his own words, Mike has been influenced by Walter Jon Williams' Hardwired. The author even helped to playtest CP back in the day.

 

[Zer0wing]

Why are you talking so much about Gibson ITT?

Because CDPR are, ahem, taking so much inspiration from Gibson it becomes blatant stealing.

 

[Semiurge]

Forget Raytracing, buying new hardware for that now would be like having bought it for Witcher 2's "Ubersampling" in 2011. If RT or it's equivalent is still around in 2025, then maybe it can be taken seriously.

 

[CaffeineConquistador]

Why are you talking so much about Gibson ITT? According to his own words, Mike has been influenced by Walter Jon Williams' Hardwired. The author even helped to playtest CP back in the day.

See what you did there.

 

[Zer0wing]

What a fucking shitshow of an engine.
So this is, in fact, DX11+DXR 1.1 featureset hastly mashed together to get a partner deal with Nvidia. GTX 1066 and R9 Nano both hover around 50-60FPS at 1080P on ultra settings in DX11 Witcher 3 and RX 474 has around the same framerate as GTX 780 3gb, 40-45. In Vulkan and true DX12 titles, Fury series destroy GTX 1066 and are up to GTX 1070 level of performance (at least when those games fit into 4gb vram buffer).