Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[warpig]

holy shit...LMAO...so quirky XD Redditors LOVE this kind of humor XD

 

[Howdy]

Jus got muh GeForce RTX™ 3070 powered by Ampere, so I am GameReady™

 

[Ol' Willy]

A true gentleman never accepts money from a woman, so no. Normal women shouldn't spend money on having sex.

As in old anecdote - "Гусары денег не берут!"

 

[Yosharian]

Vermitide really?.. What it actually proves?... VIsually there is no impact is always the same story. You see the swing not even the blade or the weapon touching your oponent and then a splash of blood. Is just reinforces the flaw first person melee is horrible.

Have you ever played Vermintide?
The game creates a simple system where different types of enemies are weaker to different types of weapons of different reach and speed. You have attack, strong attack, block and push each having different effects on different enemy types. It's simple and you can't clickaway to victory because it requires reflexes and quick thinking aka fun.

No but i watched some gameplay video to verify if maybe that was a well done first persone combat and i saw it has the same exact problems of other first person games souch as Chilvary Mordauh

Vermintide is really good.

 

[Owl]

Page 486, gentlemen

 

[Harthwain]

There is a reason moodern shooters put you a red arrow to show you where a grenade is coming.

Not all of them though. Red Orchestra 2 used a hand as point of reference, but Rainbow Six: Siege doesn't even use that (crosshair is all you get, and it's enough). The arrow is for games that want to make throwing grenades super easy.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Nigga i ain't reading that.

Nigga that's like 500 words you can read it in 2 minutes.

Well i read your link and it hasn't answered anything.

I'm asking for combat mechanics, character build options, quest design (apart from muh writing), world exploration etc.

Is it Witcher 3 with guns, or RDR2 with trannies? Is there any actual level design, dungeons or anything analagous to that (even if just building exploration a la Stalker)?

The opinions of the press don't interest me since for them this game could literally be CoD with fetch quests and they'd still call it an RPG.

 

[AwesomeButton]

As in old anecdote - "Гусары денег не берут!"

Exactly. I knew the Schtirlitz version but I guess it's the same story.

 

[racofer]

well it hurts stepping on a pebble so you like jump up in shock

There are worse fates than that.

Spoiler

 

[Readher]

I have no idea wtf this is, but it came up in my recommended and made me laugh.

 

[Junmarko]

Page 486, gentlemen

Dunno why he tortures himself like this. All that effort, and no Quake or Duke 3D at acceptable performance.

 

[Harthwain]

Dunno why he tortures himself like this. All that effort, and no Quake or Duke 3D at acceptable performance.

The sacrifices one is willing to make to achieve the Original Experience™...

But, yeah, I wouldn't bother either. Thankfully some of my all-time classics from the DOS era work on modern systems.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Off topic: what is it with this alert system? I don't get notified often about various watched topics, especially old ones and when I check them, there have been new posts, sometimes pages of them.
And Opera on mobile warns about fraud when refreshing. And it's been doing that for months.
What the fuck is with this website?

 

[Naraya]

Thankfully some of my all-time classics from the DOS era work on modern systems.

Even better - most of the DOS era games nowadays work in a browser. You can play them on web archive or one of multiple "abandonware" websites. It's crazy.

I don't think things like MUNT or graphic filters are supported but basic serviceable emulation is definitely there.

 

[Zer0wing]

I don't think things like MUNT or graphic filters are supported but basic serviceable emulation is definitely there.

Some of the games require MUNT for proper sfx playback.

 

[Owl]

Dunno why he tortures himself like this. All that effort, and no Quake or Duke 3D at acceptable performance.

I don't think he's doing this to play games on these old machines, he just showed a few games to demonstrate the hardware.
He just likes messing around with old hardware like this. Also I assume he earns a good living making these videos, with almost 1,5 million subs...

 

[undecaf]

There is a reason moodern shooters put you a red arrow to show you where a grenade is coming.

It could be tied to the characters perception stat in a wannabe ”FPS RPG”.

 

[Infinitron]

Is there any actual level design, dungeons or anything analagous to that (even if just building exploration a la Stalker)?

There are some details about level design in this Night City Wire episode at 3:45: https://rpgcodex.net/article.php?id=11556

 

[oddech_wymarlych_swiatow]

Were there any gameplay-focused trailers?

 

[Infinitron]

Were there any gameplay-focused trailers?

Join the brofist parade: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ng-december-10th.122398/page-449#post-7030456

 

[T.Ashpool]

first review is out

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Third person didn't help Twitcher having good combat in the slightest and imagine shooting guns in third person.

Have Codexers become retarded?

Witcher 3 combat was mediocre not because of camera, but other design problems: heavy attacks are underpowered; light attacks are overpowered; quen and axii make most fights trivial; defense is very effective and easy to do; there's nothing to prevent the spamming of the best attack+spells; because of mediocre enemy design most encounters are pretty samey; there's really no learning curve to the combat or any cool stuff to keep it engaging


With that said
3rd person camera IS better than 1st person for melee combat, for the following:

1) FP is bad for gauging distance, because obviously screens don't allow for depth perception, but a camera placed laterally or overhead to the PC is indeed of better help to perceive positioning and reach
2) TP also allows players to better obvserve what surrounds them, but more importantly you're aware of your PC's entire body and its movements
3) Because of the above TP simply allows for the game's combat to feature more complex actions

Now before you call bullshit on the 3rd reason, answer me this.
How many FP games do you know that allow you to perform something like a spinning roundhouse kick or any kind of grappling?

None.
Because in FP the camera is tied to the PC's movements, and having the camera quickly spin or roll around (and then stop for 3 seconds at the opponents crotch) without the player's input (taking control from him) would be very jarring
That's why in all FP melee games almost the entirety of the PC's moveset are very straight and simple attacks and overall less agile than characters in TP titles
Because FP camera just isn't suited to have the PC perform agile and complex moves where he can make use of his entire body


I mean it's no coincidence that the best brawlers are all third person
And it's also no coincidence that the best shooters are all first person

FP is better for action games that rely a lot on camera control
While TP is suited for action titles that depend mostly on button inputs

This doesn't mean there can't be good or even great TP shooters or good FP brawlers (there wasn't been any great one though), we know this to be false
But the truly best shooters are FP, and the best brawlers are TP

 

[AwesomeButton]

first review is out

Not that we didn't know that the US healthcare system is de facto non-existent.

DJOGamer PT - having played a small amount of hours (around 50 by now) of vanilla W3 Enhanced Edition mod, I think I will disregard anyone's further criticism of W3 combat, and advise you to do the same.

I will disregard it for the simple reason that, five and a half years after the game's release, anyone that is still playing it without this mod is clearly a fool who shouldn't be admitted to a serious discussion.

Owning it on console only doesn't count as an excuse either because the game's full edition has been offered at -75% for years now.

 

[Joggerino]

first review is out

This is how i imagine the typical codexer shitting on cp2077 in this thread looks like.

 

[Danikas]

first review is out

Why does he look like a crackhead version of Shaggy? Did he kill Scooby Doo in meth fuelled rage?