D&D 5E Discussion

[Caim]

By the way, is all this a prediction or something they have confirmed they are doing?

A prediction I hope I am wrong about but fear that I am closer to the truth than I would want.

 

[Gyor]

Ways the Grand Wizards of the Coast are going to fuck up Planescape:

- The Lady of Pain is now some kind of mastermind Machiavellian ruler of the city who speaks with the city's hoi polloi behind closed doors. Nobody talks about this in public or private.
- Just about every named character from the setting is either gone, dead, or not mentioned. A'kin the Friendly Fiend was found murdered some time ago, Shemeshka the Marauder is now the city's true King of the Crosstrade (and is now also trans), and her daughter Kylie is her estranged daughter who's being groomed by her mother to become her heir, but she doesn't want to give up her independent lifestyle with her having many girlfriends all over the city.
- The problematic Factions have been destroyed or turned into villains. Only the ones like the Indeps, Revolutionaries, Sensates and the like are open for players.
- The Outlands no longer mess with magic: only at the base of the Spire all magic and combat is blocked for some reason making it a place of true neutrality. All of its other quirks have been neutered or written out.
- The parts of the Outer Planes that are icky have been cut. The Harmonium has been booted from Arcadia and now it's ruled by ant people, Pandemonium no longer turns you insane, Hades no longer turns you into an NPC, Acheron won't shred you with volleys of slivers of rock or kill you by being BLOCKED.com, Ysgardians won't kill you for being dishonorable and so on.
- Tieflings. SO MANY TIEFLINGS.
- Very few Aasimar though.
- The Elemental Planes as locations have turned from inhospitable at best and save or die at worst to theme park locations. Fire Land! Water Land! Ice Land! Lightning Land! Vacuum Land! That one magic item from the DMG that protects you from all these effects are ubiquitous.
- The Astral and Ethereal... uh, people barely gave a shit in the earlier editions so why should they start now?
- The Ordial Plane is now canon.

You predictions are already outdated.

They already split the Elemental Planes into Border Elemental (hospitable, basically functions as elemental mirror plane of the Material Plane), Regular Elemental (basically 2e/3e Elmental Planes, inhospitable), and the Elmental Chaos (dangerous, but not completely inhospitable). They have no need to turn the Elmental Planes into Elmental Theme parks because they did that right in the core books, but they lefts a section of them deadly to appease out school fans).

The Astral Plane is now shared with Spelljammer, AP basically replaced the Phlegion crap, it's got Spelljammers and Astral Elves throughout. Expect a much more busy Astral Plane. Wildspace systems and Astral Domains now sit throughout the Astral Plane. More details to come in August when the Spelljammer Box set releases.

The Ethereal Plane has the Radiant Citadel.

I have no idea if they will make the Ordinal Plane canon, but what would they do with it and how would they use it?

 

[halfchad]

Spelljammer was my jam back in the day. I will not be playing a fucked up version.
I've been watching and listening to a lot of Nu-DnD podcasts and it seems that the Theater nerds have overtaken the space and brought their own faggotry. A lot of "theater of the mind" and "everything/one is valid", you are probably thinking "no shit, where have you been," but they don't play rpg's, they have just turned it into another theater production, so rules don't matter, settings don't matter, its all about funny voices and edginess. There are a tons of charlatans and frauds that moved in from other gay media and are claiming title to DnD. So all the changes Wotc are making are for the hashtag crowds, which will fizzle out because that crowd is finnicky.
What is needed is another offshoot like Pathfinder, that appeals to the Engineer type of nerds, and with dense rules that scare aware theater homos. I'm not familiar with Pathfinder, but it is an old system and I'm sure a new system could be just as successful as it was back in 2011. Is anyone working on this? Is it possible? Are there other current systems that could work better? What sets DnD apart from a more rules dense system?

 

[halfchad]

DnD 5e.... I'm out. Getting back into after decades and seeing all the new rules and homo sub classes.... its turned into a game for soft nancy boys. Its just anime power fantasy for adults who wear diapers and simp for feet pictures online. How do you even DM something like this? With rampant broken meme builds and players demanding their psionic werepolar wizard demikin trickster paladin be allowed in every setting? Everyone is playing warforged? Every build is about maximizing 'advantage', which statistically screws up any game balance. Feats where you can throw around modifiers and forced actions on enemies without it making any kind of narrative sense based in anything really..... They removed most negatives and restrictions, so anyone can 'win' DnD now, yet still haven't updated weapon speeds and mechanics since 1st edition. Weapons aren't even needed anymore, unless its solely to focus abilities.

 

[Morblot]

If 5e makes you feel like that, then better go back to 1e or 2e. Do NOT even look at 3e or Pathfinder, trust me on this. (They toned down that munchkin stuff for 5e. :D)

 

[halfchad]

3e was never this bad. Pathfinder is like options at a Golden Corral, you can take a little bit of everything but nothing says you have to. 5e comes with prepackaged anime heros starting at 3rd level! People I see play are demanding magical items and getting ac 25+ with bending of every rule there is.
There needs to be and will be a divergence of DnD between drama players and numbers players eventually. Well, not officially DnD. They will keep chasing the clout.

 

[Bara]

Huh they discontinued Dragon again.

Or well Dragon "+" to be more specific. Was there anything useful or worthwhile in its 41 issue run?

 

[Alex]

Huh they discontinued Dragon again.

Or well Dragon "+" to be more specific. Was there anything useful or worthwhile in its 41 issue run?

I was going to make a joke about that... but a 41 issues run nowadays is nothing to laugh at...

I miss magazines being a viable medium.

 

[Jasede]

My favorite magazines from the old days now cost 4 times as much and have 25% of the pages they used to...

 

[Bara]

Well Spelljammer 5e is out the only interesting thing really is that they brought back reaction rolls.

But instead of just doing the simple 2d6 and just having the DM assign the modifiers as the situation demands they gave each encounter its own reaction die and modifier so everything its spelt out for the DM tediously so.

In example The reaction table is 4 & lower - Hostile , 5-8 Indifferent , 9 & up friendly. And then they assign say a d6 as the reaction die for a encounter with a cosmic horror or give a encounter with a unicorn a 1d12+3 so that the unicorn would only be hostile in the unlikely event of a 1.

Like really this could be simplified down to just 2d6 and tell the DM to use modifiers when needed and giving a few examples or just use it straight. Consulting a chart for each encounter to see which die to use.

But hey least kinda cool some form of reaction rolls is back. Now maybe they'll get around to writing up dungeon procedures again for the poor folks that have only played 5e.

Also... they released a music album to concide with spelljammer 5e release?

But I will admit I do kinda like this track from it

 

[BanEvader]

3e was never this bad

3.5e was peak D&D. Which is why you should play Pathfinder instead of this 5e shit.
Absolute fucking decline.

 

[Jasede]

Pathfinder is the one with canon trannie paragon heroes and a diversity quota in their art department. They're both woke and lost.

 

[halfchad]

Pathfinder is the one with canon trannie paragon heroes and a diversity quota in their art department. They're both woke and lost.

I never played pathfinder directly. Just CRPGs of the system. So you're probs right. I heard 6e is supposed to be coming out and people are already complaining about it being too soon. 5e is missing so many good old mechanics that I can't believe its lasted this long without major revision. People don't understand they signed up for a subscription model on their fav ttrpg.

 

[Jasede]

Honestly, 5E did what they wanted it to do: it was so dumbed down that everyone, even women, can play it and that it's almost impossible to die in any given encounter. This meant it became extremely popular and made a staggering amount of cash.

Where can they go from here?

 

[Mortmal]

Pathfinder is the one with canon trannie paragon heroes and a diversity quota in their art department. They're both woke and lost.

Their AP are very good although , i've yet to encounter woke stuff. We swiched from 5E to pathfinder 2E and doesnt regret it.It doesnt deserves the bad reputation it got.Really a big difference of quality , i heard wotc design modules to be read ,not played, as most who buy them dont even run them... PF2E stuff on the other hand is a wonder to run as DM, and was jsut plain more fun.

 

[Jasede]

I wouldn't know about P2 because there was so much woke stuff in 1 that I didn't check out 2.

 

[JamesDixon]

3e was never this bad

3.5e was peak D&D. Which is why you should play Pathfinder instead of this 5e shit.
Absolute fucking decline.

Incorrect, peak D&D was AD&D 2E. Everything after is shit and DANDINO. It's a bit like adding frosting to shit. Sure you made it look good, but it's still shit.

 

[Akachi]

Planescape was just confirmed for the end of 2023. First they butcher Ravenloft, then Spelljammer, now Planescape. I can't imagine what they're going to do to it.

 

[Larianshill]

Lady of Pain is now a central character of an adventure and has dialogue.

 

[Larianshill]

There are some news about the new edition, and they are mostly horrific. Amidst the worst of the changes:
1) All nat 1s are failures, all nat 20s are successes. "I rolled 20 to jump to the HECKING moon" will now be codified in the rules. Also, you get an inspiration point if you roll a HECKING twenty.
2) They're adding a heavenly analogue to tieflings, but not aasimar. They're furries.
3) Only PCs can critical hit now.
4) They're doubling down on race nonsense, kobolds are still as strong as goliaths.

Amidst the changes that I like:
1) Orcs get added as a PHB race. About time.
2) Feats are now grouped by power level, which means we're done pretending that Lucky and Actor are worth the same feat slot.
3) You can no longer crit with spells.
4) Dwarves get tremorsense.
5) Backgrounds are now mechanically powerful parts of your character build instead of irrelevant ribbons.
6) All arcane/divine/primal casters will share spell lists, which means wizard should be cucking sorcerer less at least on that front.

 

[Jasede]

Sounds entirely catered to these 5E podcasts and shows like CR, D20 and NADDPOD, as well as new players (zoomers) - so complete garbage. Good thing the old editions still exist.

 

[JamesDixon]

1) Orcs get added as a PHB race. About time.

Gee only 29 years too late. You could play orcs and other races in AD&D 2E using The Complete Book of Humanoids published in 1993.

 

[Rahdulan]

Not like this.

 

[JamesDixon]

Not like this.

Gook cunt doesn't remember Kara-Tur aka Oriental Adventures published for AD&D 1E. Sounds like she's an unbearable cunt that nobody can stand.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

1) Orcs get added as a PHB race. About time.

Gee only 29 years too late. You could play orcs and other races in AD&D 2E using The Complete Book of Humanoids published in 1993.

You could play orcs in BECMI D&D using the rules in 1988's Gazetteer 10 The Orcs of Thar, which also covered kobolds, goblins, hobgoblins, gnolls, bugbears, ogres, and trolls.