Deadfire has the most impressive city of any RPG

[Haplo]

The giant spider said it best. It's all about the boring rule set to me. that's why I find kingmaker so much more satisfying, because it uses a real ruleset that you can sink your teeth into. PoE is all about balance and it does not feel like you can create a really unique and interesting character that could be overpowered or even underpowered. It's just a boring rule set.

Thing is, the ruleset is not boring at all. And the balance is just a ridiculous meme. There is lots of OP stuff in there. You can build ridiculous, immortal builds just fine. Or rabid killers made of wet tissue paper. Or anything in between. There is great variety. You have resource limited classes and you have resource regenerating classes. You can wipe whole screens using one single ability.
Also, the itemization is the best a computer game has ever seen.

It just seems there are lots of DnD fanatics who can't see gold, even if you throw a piece of gold ore at them.
Sure its not perfect. Nothing I know is. But its pretty damn great for what it is.

 

[HoboForEternity]

The giant spider said it best. It's all about the boring rule set to me. that's why I find kingmaker so much more satisfying, because it uses a real ruleset that you can sink your teeth into. PoE is all about balance and it does not feel like you can create a really unique and interesting character that could be overpowered or even underpowered. It's just a boring rule set.

Thing is, the ruleset is not boring at all. And the balance is just a ridiculous meme. There is lots of OP stuff in there. You can build ridiculous, immortal builds just fine. Or rabid killers made of wet tissue paper. Or anything in between. There is great variety. You have resource limited classes and you have resource regenerating classes. You can wipe whole screens using one single ability.
Also, the itemization is the best a computer game has ever seen.

It just seems there are lots of DnD fanatics who can't see gold, even if you throw a gold ore at them.
Sure its not perfect. Nothing I know is. But its pretty damn great for what it is.

for me, it is too derivative of DnD classes and archetypes. it would be cooler if they truly make something more original. like tyranny's magic system for example, despite i like combat in deadfire more, if they use and modify tyranny's system since the beginning it would be alot more interesting. instead we get copyright free DnD.

altho i agree, the hate towards PoE is by whiny manchildren. like everything PoE offends them or something, it's weird, it's stupid.

 

[Haplo]

It's familiar, yet different. Computer DnD games didn't have Ciphers, Chanters are a very different flavor of the "Bard" archetype, Rangers weren't really the masters of Accuracy. DnD games had nothing like Barring the Death's Door or Salvation of Time effects.
Also prior to Kingmaker, the martials had a generally very limited pool of active tools at their disposal (barring some niche titles, like ToEE or KotC), while PoE/Deadfire gave them plenty to do and finally made them interesting and fun to play.

But I agree, a game with an improved spell system from Tyranny would be awesome! I loved that aspect of Tyranny...

 

[HoboForEternity]

Ciphers, Chanters

and yeah, these are the 2 classes that stood out, and they are completely original.

the martials had a generally very limited pool of active tools at their disposal

this is actually a good point yeah. monks in PoE plays out really different too than in their DnD counterparts. the modals for each weapon style is also good, at least some of them. there are useless ones, but yeah.

the good part of PoE really is when they try to be original instead of copying baldur's gate.

 

[Loostreaks]

It can't be a clone if it's older than it, dumb-ass. Hell, even your own shitty polls are more interesting than the actual game.

 

[user]

On topic - level design/art-wise it is an amazing city. That's all it (and DF in general) has going for it though.