Deus Ex: Give me a better Liberty Island

[Captain Shrek]

Deus Ex. The classic amongst classics.

 

[Roguey]

Also, for people complaining about it throwing you in the deep end: there's a well-made tutorial section before the first level, which teaches you the basics of combat, stealth, weaponry, etc. and then ends with a test of your skills. Unless that just stopped existing for some reason.

It's all right as a tutorial but it doesn't do a particularly good job of preparing you for Liberty Island since there's never a point where you have to shoot (or knock out) non-stationary targets that may also be trying to kill you.

 

[Renegen]

Oh no, unexpected situations in Liberty Island! I wasn't trained for them! The training actually has a robot that kills you in about 0.7 seconds if you get in its field of view.

Still, a lot of people hated Liberty Island and never gave Deus Ex another look. I loved it given Looking Glass's previous games.

 

[Infinitron]

Oh no, unexpected situations in Liberty Island! I wasn't trained for them! The training actually has a robot that kills you in about 0.7 seconds if you get in its field of view.

Still, a lot of people hated Liberty Island and never gave Deus Ex another look. I loved it given Looking Glass's previous games.

I don't think you can die in the training. Doesn't it just blow off your legs, so that you have to crawl around pathetically to the end?

 

[Infinitron]

For those who haven't seen it, here's the classic video of Harvey Smith fessing up to the disaster that was Invisible War.

Maybe someday we'll see something similar with Laidlaw and Dragon Age 2? A man can dream...

 

[Roguey]

Oh no, unexpected situations in Liberty Island! I wasn't trained for them! The training actually has a robot that kills you in about 0.7 seconds if you get in its field of view.

A reverse difficulty curve is the opposite of ideal and that's what Deus Ex has. A common problem with a ton of RPGs and RPG-element things is that the hardest parts are in the beginning (because your character sucks, you have fewer resources) and then they become ridiculously easy once your character becomes competent and has more items than you know what to do with.

 

[Destroid]

I wouldn't say DX was particularly harder at the start or the end. Certainly there are a lot more opponents that will kill you very quickly toward the end though, but perhaps the game is more lenient than it might be to allow players who have invested little into direct combat capability to continue to progress. The combats I found most difficult were those green critters and the ambush at the apartment, I found that very hard to fight out of (but that's only fair really).

 

[Renegen]

Oh no, unexpected situations in Liberty Island! I wasn't trained for them! The training actually has a robot that kills you in about 0.7 seconds if you get in its field of view.

A reverse difficulty curve is the opposite of ideal and that's what Deus Ex has. A common problem with a ton of RPGs and RPG-element things is that the hardest parts are in the beginning (because your character sucks, you have fewer resources) and then they become ridiculously easy once your character becomes competent and has more items than you know what to do with.

God forbid a video game doesn't feel like a video game. Would you rather have the mandatory tutorial, hand holding and being told how everything works for 50% of the game? It's as annoying as the Bioware formula. DX had a tutorial, you just had to sneak. Hell, NPCs react depending how you handled Liberty Island, you're not meant to shoot the place up.

 

[anus_pounder]

I wouldn't say DX was particularly harder at the start or the end. Certainly there are a lot more opponents that will kill you very quickly toward the end though, but perhaps the game is more lenient than it might be to allow players who have invested little into direct combat capability to continue to progress. The combats I found most difficult were those green critters and the ambush at the apartment, I found that very hard to fight out of (but that's only fair really).

You mean in Paul's apartment ? That was pretty easy. He doesn't 'die' unless you exit through the window. You can just lock yourself in the secret cabinet and let Paul gun down everyone. The only (kind of) difficult bit is when you have to exit through the front door. Paul tends to mysteriously disappear without killing any of the guys in the lobby, so you have to deal with a few pistols and one guy with a sniper.

 

[Menckenstein]

For those who haven't seen it, here's the classic video of Harvey Smith fessing up to the disaster that was Invisible War.

Maybe someday we'll see something similar with Laidlaw and Dragon Age 2? A man can dream...

the best part is that the game he was working on at the time turned out to be an even bigger piece of shit than IW.

 

[gromit]

You could always understand that the OP is not the only opinion ever shared about that level, you snarky fuck.

It's the only correct opinion, though, especially since all disagreeing posts here (including yours) are full of lame excuses, including things like that the NSF are a bunch of inept amateurs on purpose (they're not) or that it's supposed to be a tutorial mission (it's not).

Except I don't disagree. Putting snipers high is a big "well duh," yet the game as a whole shows they knew what they were doing. I just speculated as to why it is so, and asked if Stalker Mod or some-such does it. I suppose I offended you when I slightly switched topics by bringing up another common discussion about the level again, after you decreed all discussion not about how there's no sniper up high in someone else's thread forbidden? In which case you've got a few people talking about Hell's Kitchen to yell at as well.

 

[JarlFrank]

Liberty Island was by far the best level in the game.

I wish I could go back to playing it for the first time.

When you played it the first time, did you find it creepy when you saw that all the NSF soldiers you avoided killing had been killed anyway?

Actually, I killed or knocked out most of the NSF soldiers when I first played it.

 

[EG]

I played the level a few times before moving on. First, killing everyone with a knife; Second, tranqing/shocking anyone that got in my way; Third, ninja -- out of sight out of mind; and forth, run and gun.

Was perfectly easy once you figured out the visual limitations/auditory of the NPCs and how to walk, pause, shoot, pause, shoot, pause, shoot.

(The tutorial robot does kill your ass if you're not careful.)

The sniper should not have been in that level, just so we wouldn't have a thread about it here.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

(The tutorial robot does kill your ass if you're not careful.)

You wish. Rather, the robot is loaded with non-lethal rounds that put you all your body parts in 1% health, forcing JC Denton to spend minutes and minutes in non-stop agony as he is non-stop shot with a unending non-lethal gatling gun burst until he can get away from the bot crawling on his bullet-ridden legs. Did I mention that JC spends all the time being shot, bleeding or both?

Surprised he doesn't go psycho.

 

[EG]

Odd, I seem to remember getting the game over screen twice while fucking about with said bot. I'll have to check later (it's not that I don't trust you, as a Codexian, but you are Brazilian . . . )

 

[Oriebam]

Odd, I seem to remember getting the game over screen twice while fucking about with said bot. I'll have to check later (it's not that I don't trust you, as a Codexian, but you are Brazilian . . . )

In my first playthrough with a unpatched(or with one of those early patches) version it didn't kill me either... you can get killed, though

Trust me, I'm white

actually was going to post that infamous TBS-face pic but I can't find it

 

[Roguey]

God forbid a video game doesn't feel like a video game. Would you rather have the mandatory tutorial, hand holding and being told how everything works for 50% of the game?

No, but it's a good thing there can be a wide range in between those two extremes.

Hell, NPCs react depending how you handled Liberty Island, you're not meant to shoot the place up.

But then you don't get to rescue Gunther or get the enemies' equipment and the mechs don't give you props.

 

[Seolas]

Liberty Island is probably my favourite level in any game ever. It might have logical flaws (like the tiny distance between bots/military and the terrorists right at the start) but playing it at the time and seeing the sheer scope of the map awed me more than any game had before that. I must have played the demo, which was that level, about 15 times before buying the game and whenever I go back and play Deus Ex now I still enjoy that level and New York more than any of the others.

NSF001/smashthestate

 

[Codexlurker]

Liberty Island is probably my favourite level in any game ever. It might have logical flaws (like the tiny distance between bots/military and the terrorists right at the start) but playing it at the time and seeing the sheer scope of the map awed me more than any game had before that. I must have played the demo, which was that level, about 15 times before buying the game and whenever I go back and play Deus Ex now I still enjoy that level and New York more than any of the others.

NSF001/smashthestate

Liberty Island isn't my favorite level(Hell's Kitchen!) but it is one of the most iconic levels.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Deus Ex: Give me a better game.


r00fles!

 

[someone else]

Aren't you copy pasting this from somewhere? I swear I read this before.

You probably read in in The Nameless Mod. Thanks to The Confessor for such an entertaining read. lolololz

 

[betamin]

Fucking lol