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Disco Elysium creative lead Robert Kurvitz was quietly fired from ZA/UM in late 2021, files lawsuit against them

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I finished DE recently. The best parts were: any topic with Joyce Messier, but especially talking about the Pale, discovering the hole in the church and coming up with a plausible theory and dancing so hard that you made contact with the spirit of the city itself... was Robert behind any of these moments? If he was, then he is a genius and worthy of all admiration and veneration I have so far given only to Chris Avellone.
 

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After Disco Elysium, we all understood subconsciously that ZA/UM will never create anything that could adequately follow up.

Thus, they took the only path possible: the transubstantiation of Disco Elysium into real life, tragedy returning as social media farce.

As a leading CurrentYear social media platform, the Codex will apply all the dramatic interpretation tools they have sharpened in the past by chiselling carefully upon voodoo sculptures of J.E. Sawyer
 

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I played through DE immediately after playing though PST for the first time, all within the span of 2-3 weeks. A glorious time. I don't think any RPG will come close to those games in terms of writing in the near future.
 
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Claims of "creating toxic workplace" = Corporate speak for: Someone who actually has talent, get things done and has a vision on its own instead of listening to "lol bro my market study said...".
He was an alcoholic who would show up to work drunk (if he even showed at all).

I mean, that guy DRUNKEN TO THE TOP, EVERY DAY, writes BETTER than a bunch of so-called "PROFESSIONALS" in their right mind?

if I liked him before, I like him MORE now.

Imagine him sober and in good shape, HELL, the world literary genius of the century.
bro, booze is like 50% of the powah. take the booze away and you only have a mediocre writer.
 

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Claims of "creating toxic workplace" = Corporate speak for: Someone who actually has talent, get things done and has a vision on its own instead of listening to "lol bro my market study said...".
He was an alcoholic who would show up to work drunk (if he even showed at all).
It's called method acting. How else was he supposed to know how Revachol's police officers would react to working with an alcoholic.
 

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It's called method acting. How else was he supposed to know how Revachol's police officers would react to working with an alcoholic.
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So, what we have to understand about Robert is that already when he was 22, he was depressed about how it was not possible to make culture in Estonia. And I agree that it is not possible much. There is no audience here really. Things do not get discussed much.
As he said, not enough Jews. :M
You surely jest, but despite himself this intellectual crodart has wandered so far blindly into erring that he stumbled over truth. A central premise in what goes for social critique is that the ‘First-World’, or that place which world-finance occupies directly, benefits greatly from material exploitation of those areas less ‘developed’. Curiously this equation does not only shut out the genuine terrors of such an occupation, on the part of those under the rotting feet of the machine, this financial metropolis, the barren mother, daughter and spawn, as those wilds and beasts not the creation of the Lord, of Cain the scorned one, but also all possibility of anything beyond its own narratives stemming from autopoiesis. Even on the most basic of materialist terms, that is, anything more compleat than the mercantile analysis, which is tellingly not much fought by power and so widespread, it is beyond insufficient for escaping the gravity-well of the concerns of finance. Yet this makes up the cosmography of most who would oppose power.

The first victims of this parasite are those closest to her bosom, and cultural infertility is one of the cursed poxes she grants them. Estonia is not the heart of Power, it’s a nation of people living in service to it. What are they without the gewes of Hollywood, that own publishing and the financial power used to fuel their own cultural nepotistic projects that are spread globally as a part of their imperialist goals? Those that he most adore are the people responsible for the ethnical desolation faced, the spiritual malaise. For converging reasons this is not true in the supposed ‘Third-World’, those parts less ‘developed’. His lament amounts to little more than that Estonians are not the court jesters of capital, but also not poor enough in terms of technology and biology that they are far removed from annihilation.

Clockwork men like him who feign sophistication while being in some demented sense in love with Judeo-Liberalism are a dime a dozen, but few are those that come around and understand the position of the capitalist oligarch gentry consisting of the gewes and the fate worse and more impoverished those closest to them suffer. Due to a lack of the deep crimson, socialism unfettered and unbound, within him there is nothing but a wasteland to wander. There could never be a culture in Estonia without becoming the new hive of terror, the seed of the omega state, the eye of Satan, and so the raison d'être of Tallinn is the stock exchange. There is no reason to grieve Estonian culture, what was it but a series of obscuritanist efforts to veil power and exploitation that the privileged natives impose upon the world? Should they not in the approximation of the present wisdom be filled with empyreal bliss all? And of the Washington and New York capitalist gewes, be ethnically exterminated for their sin of being too White?

Disco Elysium was the stillbirth of a strangled prostitute. A post-modern vacuum. The fading cries of a drunk drowning man struggling for air in the middle of a harbour at midnight.
 
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You guys think DE is better than PST? What can change the nature of a man? DE answers it: Booze!
a person 1000 years from now will be able to play PST and understand the story perfectly(assuming a good translation)
the same can not be said for DE, it will have aged like fine milk.
 

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You guys think DE is better than PST?
Better as a one time experience, but otherwise PST has more replay value.
There are a few things that I missed on my DE playthrough due to my build and choices and also because I wasn't able to skip time towards the end to trigger an event (getting my gun back). Also I tried to play a good guy who's trying to ditch drugs and booze (only use them for stat boost before skill checks). There were some truly hilarious dialogue choices that I didn't make because it would not fit my character. I wouldn't say DE has no replay value.
 
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I wouldn't say DE has no replay value.
Eh, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it has no replay value, but it's the sort of the game that's best replayed after enough time has passed as for your memory about its narrative content to be quite fuzzy. PST on the other hand I could replay immediately with a different alignment and things wouldn't feel as repetitive (although I guess that the larger game world also plays a role in that).
 

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You guys think DE is better than PST? What can change the nature of a man? DE answers it: Booze!
a person 1000 years from now will be able to play PST and understand the story perfectly(assuming a good translation)
the same can not be said for DE, it will have aged like fine milk.
are you saying we will have cured alcoholism and bad relationships in the future? Also all the political stuff has been around for a long time too so I don't think people won't get communism etc. in 1000 years.
 
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You guys think DE is better than PST? What can change the nature of a man? DE answers it: Booze!
a person 1000 years from now will be able to play PST and understand the story perfectly(assuming a good translation)
the same can not be said for DE, it will have aged like fine milk.
are you saying we will have cured alcoholism and bad relationships in the future? Also all the political stuff has been around for a long time too so I don't think people won't get communism etc. in 1000 years.
I'm saying there's a reason Beowulf is considered the most important piece of Old English literature.

Also all the political stuff has been around for a long time too so I don't think people won't get communism etc. in 1000 years.
Yes, it has. And how many epics are known for covering contemporary political ideological matters?
 

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And how many epics are known for covering contemporary political ideological matters?
Are they really contemporary though? War, a failed revolution, people struggling to survive in the aftermath. And on a personal level substance abuse, the oh so common trope of the quest to recover your lost memory, and uncovering a murder mystery. I'd say these are quite timeless themes. Of course this point becomes a bit moot if we consider video games are intertwined with technology so that is what will age first before the writing imo.
 
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1000 years from now:
"WTF is a Journal?"
Romans had the concept of a journal when most people were illiterate and it was difficult to even find something to write on, what makes you think they won't have the concept of it 1000 years from now?
 

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Romans had the concept of a journal when most people were illiterate and it was difficult to even find something to write on, what makes you think they won't have the concept of it 1000 years from now?
So your argument is that if a game does not take place in a fantasy setting and has pop culture references it cannot be a timeless classic? You must not like fallout much.
 

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