Disco Elysium creative lead Robert Kurvitz was quietly fired from ZA/UM in late 2021, files lawsuit against them

[Heroic Liberator]

1000 years from now:
"WTF is a Journal?"

Low effort shitposting is low effort on rusty's part. A game referencing contemporary things doesn't age it if the main themes are still relevant to a future audience. He's basically doing the equivalent of claiming that people can't enjoy VtMB if they hadn't lived under the Bush administration or experienced the local Goth scene of the time due to the game's occasional references to such things.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Romans had the concept of a journal when most people were illiterate and it was difficult to even find something to write on, what makes you think they won't have the concept of it 1000 years from now?

So your argument is that if a game does not take place in a fantasy setting and has pop culture references it cannot be a timeless classic? You must not like fallout much.

Of course Fallout isn't timeless, just look at all the awful slavouts made by people who don't even understand American culture enough to create decent clones. And they were alive when it was made.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

1000 years from now:
"WTF is a Journal?"

Low effort shitposting is low effort on rusty's part. A game referencing contemporary things doesn't age it if the main themes are still relevant to a future audience. He's basically doing the equivalent of claiming that people can't enjoy VtMB if they hadn't lived under the Bush administration or experienced the local Goth scene of the time due to the game's occasional references to such things.

No, it's like saying vtmb would be difficult to understand if you don't even have the concept of what an urban environment is or seen one in your life.
So, yes, VTMB is also heavily dated.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Hell, 'modern' VTM itself is heavily dated and simply no longer works because it wasn't designed for our concept of modern. You have to shovel on copious amounts of bullshit just to explain how the masquerade is even upheld when every single person around them is carrying a camera with internet access capable of live streaming.

Contrast to trying to write a story about locking your keys(! most cars don't even come with keys anymore) in your car in the smartphone era. Zoomers can't even understand what the issue would be, go ahead, ask them.

 

[Vic]

1000 years from now:
"WTF is a Journal?"

Low effort shitposting is low effort on rusty's part. A game referencing contemporary things doesn't age it if the main themes are still relevant to a future audience. He's basically doing the equivalent of claiming that people can't enjoy VtMB if they hadn't lived under the Bush administration or experienced the local Goth scene of the time due to the game's occasional references to such things.

No, it's like saying vtmb would be difficult to understand if you don't even have the concept of what an urban environment is or seen one in your life.
So, yes, VTMB is also heavily dated.

Ok, now it's obvious that you are just shitposting, or have you seen Sigil in your life?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Hell, 'modern' VTM itself is heavily dated and simply no longer works because it wasn't designed for our concept of modern.

Yes, but the setting of VtMB as contained within that game works just fine. You don't have to be a contemporary to it in order to enjoy playing the game, just as you don't have to live in Victorian times in order to enjoy reading Stoker's Dracula.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

1000 years from now:
"WTF is a Journal?"

Low effort shitposting is low effort on rusty's part. A game referencing contemporary things doesn't age it if the main themes are still relevant to a future audience. He's basically doing the equivalent of claiming that people can't enjoy VtMB if they hadn't lived under the Bush administration or experienced the local Goth scene of the time due to the game's occasional references to such things.

No, it's like saying vtmb would be difficult to understand if you don't even have the concept of what an urban environment is or seen one in your life.
So, yes, VTMB is also heavily dated.

Ok, now it's obvious that you are just shitposting, or have you seen Sigil in your life?

What makes you think Sigil is like any concept humans have of historical urban centers?

Hell, 'modern' VTM itself is heavily dated and simply no longer works because it wasn't designed for our concept of modern.

Yes, but the setting of VtMB as contained within that game works just fine. You don't have to be a contemporary to it in order to enjoy playing the game, just as you don't have to live in Victorian times in order to enjoy reading Stoker's Dracula.

Of course it works fine for you, you lived through it.
Do you really think people in the future will have an amazing grasp on how fast technology advanced when current writers regularly blend together elements centuries apart from periods of near stagnant growth?

 

[Vic]

What makes you think Sigil is like any concept humans have of historical urban centers?

you just contradicted yourself, it's not, and you still get it, dont'cha?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Do you really think people in the future will have an amazing grasp on how fast technology advanced when current writers regularly blend together elements centuries apart from periods of near stagnant growth?

They don't need to have an amazing grasp of anything. If a setting is neat in itself and the story set in it has elements that people still find relatable, then people will enjoy it regardless of whether they understand the real world influences that went into making it or not.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

What makes you think Sigil is like any concept humans have of historical urban centers?

you just contradicted yourself, it's not, and you still get it, dont'cha?

You're aware VTMB is based on a real city in a specific time period, right?
Not some overly historical portrayal of it like Barcelona in Lionheart, but attempting to capture what it actually was at that period in time by people who existed at that period in time.

I'm just making sure because you seem to think it's based on a fictional city.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Not some overly historical portrayal of it like Barcelona in Lionheart, but attempting to capture what it actually was at that period in time by people who existed at that period in time.

Yes. And I did not live in turn of the century LA nor did I partake in the Goth subculture of the period akin to Mitsoda, so to me it might as well be a fictional place. Doesn't stop me from enjoying it.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Not some overly historical portrayal of it like Barcelona in Lionheart, but attempting to capture what it actually was at that period in time by people who existed at that period in time.

Yes. And I did not live in turn of the century LA nor did I partake in the Goth subculture of the period akin to Mitsoda, so to me it might as well be a fictional place. Doesn't stop me from enjoying it.

You've had hollywood culture forcefully shoved down your throat since you were a toddler.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

You've had hollywood culture forcefully shoved down your throat since you were a toddler.

Which doesn't reflect the domestic reality, yes. So all of that might as well have been set in a fictional land which nevertheless doesn't stop people from enjoying it.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

You've had hollywood culture forcefully shoved down your throat since you were a toddler.

Which doesn't reflect the domestic reality, yes. So all of that might as well have been set in a fictional land which nevertheless doesn't stop people from enjoying it.

I want you to tell me with a straight face that someone in 3022 will understand this video

 

[Vic]

we don't have enough historical evidence to make an informed descision. For all we know the modern urban setting will become the fantasy setting of the future. Just because something is considered a classic now doesn't mean it will still be in 1000 years. Our world changed rapidly in the last couple hundred years. Maybe in the future people will yearn of the simplicity of VtmB without all the social media and interconnectivity and shit.

Fantasy is an escape from our lives, in the land of orcs and elves we don't get reminded of our shitty lives and the people in it. How can you know that in 1000 years people can still relate to a low-tech fantasy setting?

Also, if you think about it, technology changes but people don't so people living and making cities in the time of electricity and computers will experience the same emotional stories that our monkey brains "get" on an instinctual level regardless of minute details that go over their head. 1000 years from now people will get the struggles of the strung out police detective trying to solve a murder and find out who he is, will they want to actually spend time in that setting is something we can't know.

 

[Brancaleone]

bro, booze is like 50% of the powah. take the booze away and you only have a mediocre writer.

And writing AI will soon enough become an adequate substitute for alchool-induced randomness.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

You've had hollywood culture forcefully shoved down your throat since you were a toddler.

Which doesn't reflect the domestic reality, yes. So all of that might as well have been set in a fictional land which nevertheless doesn't stop people from enjoying it.

I want you to tell me with a straight face that someone in 3022 will understand this video

Someone from the future won't understand which tropes the devs were playing with, but they'll understand the video itself. And what matters is if they find characters like Fat Larry neat or not.

Naturally, I wouldn't go as far as to talk about 3022 since tech growth seems to be somewhat exponential and who knows what sort of seemingly alien (to us) environment people will be living in by then, but someone born towards the end of this century - most likely, yes.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

You've had hollywood culture forcefully shoved down your throat since you were a toddler.

Which doesn't reflect the domestic reality, yes. So all of that might as well have been set in a fictional land which nevertheless doesn't stop people from enjoying it.

I want you to tell me with a straight face that someone in 3022 will understand this video

Someone from the future won't understand which tropes the devs were playing with, but they'll understand the video itself. And what matters is if they find characters like Fat Larry neat or not.

Naturally, I wouldn't go as far as to talk about 3022 since tech growth seems to be somewhat exponential and who knows what sort of seemingly alien (to us) environment people will be living in by then, but someone born towards the end of this century - most likely, yes.

we can already test this

smaug

do you understand this video?

 

[smaug]

You've had hollywood culture forcefully shoved down your throat since you were a toddler.

Which doesn't reflect the domestic reality, yes. So all of that might as well have been set in a fictional land which nevertheless doesn't stop people from enjoying it.

I want you to tell me with a straight face that someone in 3022 will understand this video

Someone from the future won't understand which tropes the devs were playing with, but they'll understand the video itself. And what matters is if they find characters like Fat Larry neat or not.

Naturally, I wouldn't go as far as to talk about 3022 since tech growth seems to be somewhat exponential and who knows what sort of seemingly alien (to us) environment people will be living in by then, but someone born towards the end of this century - most likely, yes.

we can already test this

smaug

do you understand this video?

no

 

[Vic]

https://www.mimir.net/cant/cant2.html

 

[Drunken Irishman]

You guys think DE is better than PST? What can change the nature of a man? DE answers it: Booze!

It is better. PST is interesting because it plays with western cosmology and has good emotional beats. DE however is deeper and captures something true about human nature. From now on, DE should be the standard of writing in games.

The only thing that comes close is Daedalic's Pillars of the Earth, prior Philip's loss of faith scene.

 

[Vic]

Writing was truly phenomenal, but in addition to (almost?) all dialogue lines being voiced (play with your eyes closed), the imo perfect pacing, interesting skill check system (save scummed those), meaningful choice and build options and that chad Kim Kitsuragi who takes all of your antics like the true hero of the game, man no other game made me laugh this much. I was a bit turned off by all the drugs, booze, political info dumps by a relatively few NPCs and horrible equipment system (scroll through all your stuff all the time you wanna pass a skillcheck to find a bonus). Also there was one major oversight in the main quest that many people got stumped on (Investigate the boardwalk).

Between PST and DE it's a tough choice for me, I think both are great and unique games and I'm glad to have both.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

dunno if that was posted already, but someone started the translation of "Sacred and Terrible Air" into the human language https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K4sWvT2fY1irgjWmBaH-R8-miKGI5ZI5/view

 

[AwesomeButton]

1000 years from now:
"WTF is a Journal?"

Low effort shitposting is low effort on rusty's part. A game referencing contemporary things doesn't age it if the main themes are still relevant to a future audience. He's basically doing the equivalent of claiming that people can't enjoy VtMB if they hadn't lived under the Bush administration or experienced the local Goth scene of the time due to the game's occasional references to such things.

No, it's like saying vtmb would be difficult to understand if you don't even have the concept of what an urban environment is or seen one in your life.
So, yes, VTMB is also heavily dated.

Ok, now it's obvious that you are just shitposting, or have you seen Sigil in your life?

He isn't doing it on purpose. This is the actual level of his ability to reason.

 

[Harthwain]

Ok, now it's obvious that you are just shitposting

Is there ever a time when rusty isn't shitposting?