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Do you guys have gamer dent?

tritosine2k

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Linkwitz called it foreshortening, & the thing is, as usual headphone evangelists never heard or even heard of a properly set up " phantom center", otherwise they wouldn't be so rabidly opinionated. There's also minority who prefer DRY earphone sound, I can't really explain that, bad juju.
Most importantly, perceived distances to the auditory scene are foreshortened, which is an unnatural phenomenon
https://www.linkwitzlab.com/IJAETv2n2a2-Linkwitz-1.pdf
 
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Norfleet

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On the other hand, headphones don't have to engage in a volume war against the fan noise of the computer room. If I were to use speakers, it would have to fight against 130 dB fan noise. With headphones, the fan noise is blocked out and thus the headphones can use normal volume. Headphones thus produce superior sound because they don't have to be loud enough to drown out a jet at all times.
 

Ezekiel

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On the other hand, headphones don't have to engage in a volume war against the fan noise of the computer room. If I were to use speakers, it would have to fight against 130 dB fan noise. With headphones, the fan noise is blocked out and thus the headphones can use normal volume. Headphones thus produce superior sound because they don't have to be loud enough to drown out a jet at all times.
Depends on the headphones. I hear everything with my open back Sennheiser 6XX and 558.
 
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If money was no object sure I'd go speakers but since I am not a multimillionaire living secluded in the woods (yet) I need to be careful with my money. Therefore I prefer to buy a $400 pair of headphones that are more than capable of handling every modern mastering method at FLAC level (and some golden age mastering setups such as what the Beach Boys used) every couple of years instead of spending 15 thousand dollars on an equivalent speaker setup where I must sit in a specific spot and not move my head to ideally get the same sound as the headphones offer at all times. You may now call me poor.
 

randir14

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I had this (with my hair, not an actual skull dent) with my old AKG headphones that only had a leather strap. With my newer Sennheisers it doesn't happen. As for headphones vs speakers - I used to use both but my dogs destroyed the subwoofer and ripped holes in some of the speaker cones. They provided a more fun experience than the headphones though.
 
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NaturallyCarnivorousSheep

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On the other hand, headphones don't have to engage in a volume war against the fan noise of the computer room. If I were to use speakers, it would have to fight against 130 dB fan noise. With headphones, the fan noise is blocked out and thus the headphones can use normal volume. Headphones thus produce superior sound because they don't have to be loud enough to drown out a jet at all times.
how the fuck are you getting 130dB fan noise you fuck. inb4 I need custom cooling setup to cool down my rig from average of 40 degrees to 37 it's worth it
 

V17

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If money was no object sure I'd go speakers but since I am not a multimillionaire living secluded in the woods (yet) I need to be careful with my money. Therefore I prefer to buy a $400 pair of headphones that are more than capable of handling every modern mastering method at FLAC level (and some golden age mastering setups such as what the Beach Boys used) every couple of years instead of spending 15 thousand dollars on an equivalent speaker setup where I must sit in a specific spot and not move my head to ideally get the same sound as the headphones offer at all times. You may now call me poor.

I mean 15k USD would be about right if you want a new truly high end system for midfield listening in a decently large room, without audiophile bullshit. You could freely move your head and even yourself to a degree, of course, and as opposed to headphones the auditory image would stay in the same place, that's one of the points of having a good setup.

But that setup would be miles ahead of any 400 USD headphones and I don't think that's what this thread is even about, it seems to me that if we're talking about gamer dent (lol), the topic is HQ sound for your PC setup.

Firstly that's a nearfield situation, speakers are usually less than a meter from your head. This is important because sound volume lowers quadratically with the distance from the speaker, and as a result if you listen from a close distance, the difference between the volume of direct sound (from nearby) and the volume of reflections (from quite a bit further away, with exceptions like desk reflections) is higher. You get way less "room sound", less muddying of details from reflections simply by sitting close.

Secondly, as opposed to 10 years ago, there are now ultra cheap speakers with constant "narrow" directivity waveguides, like JBL LSR series or Kali LP series. These speakers radiate most of the sound spectrum in a 90°-120° cone, as opposed to 180°+ in standard speakers. This means that more sound is radiated towards you and less towards the rest of the room, further reducing the room effect. And a 90° cone is still large enough for you to move around a bit.

In my experience a contest between an approximately 400 USD pair of speakers like Kali LP-6 and a 400 USD pair of headphones does not have a clear winner. The headphones still win in the amount of audible detail, but they're not more realistic, the loudspeakers are more dynamic and when setup well to do a solid phantom center, produce a more real sense of space.
 

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