Game News Dragon Age DLC == A cool $1 million

[dumuh]

Nope. It's theft no matter what. You take something that belongs to someone else without permission is theft. plain, and simple.

Oh, did you see the limo? I'm gonna steal it... but, it's not really stealing because if I hadn't stolen it I would never have bought it, anyways.


What kind of fuckin' logic is that? It's retarded.

A limo would be entirely different because it is a physical good that the owner would no longer have had I taken it. Video games on the other hand can be replicated with little effort and therefore have no scarcity, the only thing that gives them value is that they have the state backing them up.

 

[Grunker]

Stone prisoner was actually cut from the game before they announced the PC delay (to finish the console versions and such).
Since they now had some extra time, it seems that they decided to give it away for free as an incentive to buy or preorder the game new (apparently early preorders are a big deal for game developers).
It also counters the second-hand market for games at certain retail stores, which means that more profits will actually go to the developers and not Gamestop etc. This doesn’t seem that bad to me.

Warden's Keep was similarly affected by the delay; it began development on the assumption that it would be finished several months after the PC version’s intended release date.
Therefore, development of DLC was separate from the original campaign, and thus the staff specifically assigned towards the development of new DLC need to be paid separately.
The console-lead delay only makes it appear as though Warden's Keep was part of the original campaign, and was instead deliberately left out to make some cash from Day 0 DLC purchases (well, allot of you dumbcunts seem to think that's the case anyway).

Official story bullshit. Might be true in Warden's Keep's case, but it's certainly bullshit in Shale's. There was no reason not to include him after the delay was announced and they started working on him again.

 

[Micmu]

Oh, did you see the limo? I'm gonna steal it... but, it's not really stealing because if I hadn't stolen it I would never have bought it, anyways.

What kind of fuckin' logic is that? It's retarded.

A limo would be entirely different because it is a physical good that the owner would no longer have had I taken it. Video games on the other hand can be replicated with little effort and therefore have no scarcity, the only thing that gives them value is that they have the state backing them up.

Don't question Volourn's superior logic - this will get you nowhere.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Nope. It's theft no matter what. You take something that belongs to someone else without permission is theft. plain, and simple.

Oh, did you see the limo? I'm gonna steal it... but, it's not really stealing because if I hadn't stolen it I would never have bought it, anyways.


What kind of fuckin' logic is that? It's retarded.

A limo would be entirely different because it is a physical good that the owner would no longer have had I taken it. Video games on the other hand can be replicated with little effort and therefore have no scarcity, the only thing that gives them value is that they have the state backing them up.

What the fuck?

 

[DraQ]

What kind of fuckin' logic is that? It's retarded.

P. good description of Volourn's logic.

 

[Hobbit Lord of Mordor]

I'd appreciate not having this stuff advertised at me once I'm playing, too. Mention it in the menu, or on the splash screen before loading, but in game (either through NPCs or journal entries) is going too far.

How exactly does that work? (haven't bought DA)

PC: What is the latest rumors?
Shopkeeper: Saw a mudcrab the other day (horrible creatures), the fighter guild's recruiting as usual... oh, and also [ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE DLC, CLICK TO ENTER BIOWARE ONLINE SHOP NOW]

Or what?

 

[mediocrepoet]

the only thing that gives them value is that they have the state backing them up.

Right. Their value has absolutely nothing to do with the labour that went into producing them in the first place. Even if you somehow can't see how much time and effort is becoming involved with producing these games while playing it - in terms of art assets, music, voice, etc. - the massively long credits list at the end should probably give you a clue.

These people make games to make a living and also, I'd imagine, because they like it. They don't make games so you can enjoy it without compensating them in any way, even slaves were provided with room and board by their masters and all they provided were services rather than goods of any sort.

If you want to justify your piracy in some way, fine. But don't try to do it by suggesting it isn't theft of any kind - you just show that you're either a liar or an idiot.

 

[PrzeSzkoda]

I'd appreciate not having this stuff advertised at me once I'm playing, too. Mention it in the menu, or on the splash screen before loading, but in game (either through NPCs or journal entries) is going too far.

How exactly does that work? (haven't bought DA)

PC: What is the latest rumors?
Shopkeeper: Saw a mudcrab the other day (horrible creatures), the fighter guild's recruiting as usual... oh, and also [ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE DLC, CLICK TO ENTER BIOWARE ONLINE SHOP NOW]

Or what?

From what I've seen on various screenshots, there's a separate section in your journal called "Premium content".

 

[Clockwork Knight]

A limo would be entirely different because it is a physical good that the owner would no longer have had I taken it. Video games on the other hand can be replicated with little effort and therefore have no scarcity, the only thing that gives them value is that they have the state backing them up.

You're stil watching/playing something you were supposed to pay money for.

It doesn't matter if you think it's shitty and wouldn't buy it anyway, you're still using it. They don't charge you for liking the thing, they charge you for playing it.

pirate with pride, brethren, shitty excuses are tools of the weak

From what I've seen on various screenshots, there's a separate section in your journal called "Premium content".

So, is this for real or just a joke about the system

edit: just found out it's for real. One of the DLC offers me the chance to get two of six awesome abilities. Probably overpowered / usesless, anyway.

 

[Rhalle]

Don't blame EA for it though. R00fles!
http://fidgit.com/archives/2009/11/biow ... on_age.php
FACT: Bioware likes money.

Saw John Riticello on Fox Business the other day.

He's clearly the one driving the whole DLC + Social Networking bullshit.

The official corporatespeak name for it is apparently 'Direct to Consumer' -- i.e., DLC.

It's a beautiful thing, and players are really excited about it, and they love it, and it's the wave of the future.

 

[Arcanoix]

FACT: Bioware likes money.

Lies.

EA likes money, but USES BioWare to acquire it.

 

[aries202]

The cartoon, as funny as it may be, is not telling the truth about how to get the DLC, say Warden's Keep or Return to Ostager entirely. No NPC will ask for your credit card details; you will, however, have to buy Bioware points to buy the DLC. And for that you must use your creditcard or you can set a Pay Pal account. To get the DLC, however, you will have to talk to an NPC that delivers a sales speach on how you the quest is or will be.

As for EA's John Riccitiello pushing this; yes, he might be. Ray & Greg,the founders of Bioware are doing the exactly same thing as thet both in varius interviews have stated that they (too) think that the future of gaming is digital (i.e. games as a service, not a product).

 

[GarfunkeL]

(i.e. games as a service, not a product)

Then they should start acting like they are providing a service. Not just Bioware, mind you, the whole game industry.

 

[Arcanoix]

(i.e. games as a service, not a product)

Then they should start acting like they are providing a service. Not just Bioware, mind you, the whole game industry.

It started with $5-$10 Horse Armor, today it is side-quests and half-finished content that was removed from the original Gold version of the game to be re-released for a price.

 

[Volourn]

"today it is side-quests and half-finished content that was removed from the original Gold version of the game to be re-released for a price."

Bullshit lie.

 

[Satori (original)]

"today it is side-quests and half-finished content that was removed from the original Gold version of the game to be re-released for a price."

Bullshit lie.

Maybe, but can you prove otherwise?

 

[Volourn]

You made the accusation so prove it. Innocent til proven guilty 9though, technically this isn't a courtroom) so we cna believe whatever we want here even if it is bullshit.

 

[hiver]

The DLC is offered through NPCs with huge glowing exclamation marks over their heads.

One is constantly in your camp, where its always night so he glows like a beacon and you cannot kill him or send him away.

The other is at the entrance of a location visible on the map.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Oh dear. So many tears.

 

[janjetina]

The first thing a normal person should do after installing and running Dragon Age for the first time is going into the options screen and turning off low intelligence options like quest helpers. I haven't encountered an exclamation mark over anyone's head yet and I'm pretty sure I won't have the opportunity to do so.

Dragon Age certainly cannot be blamed for not delivering enough value for money in terms of quantity of content. DLC is just a bonus.

I don't like the DLC approach, but it is sane from a business perspective. Since the production costs of games are increasing (Though almost always without real merit. Unfortunately, the impact of increasing production costs on gameplay is nonexistent, since the budget increase is spent in the graphics / sound department, while a puzzling fact that the game developers are unable to employ decades old tried and true AI routines like A* search, alpha-beta pruning and minimax algorithm and can't design an appropriate and scalable (in order to enable different difficulty settings) heuristic. The same goes for the systems design, writing, etc.) game publishers needed to invent the way to make more money. Blizzard broke the system with World of Warcraft and this is the root of the problem. Naturally, only a retard would pay for the same product over and over again without getting anything new in return, so DLC is a solution that achieves similar effect without aggravating most costumers.

For me, Dragon Age is good enough to warrant a purchase, but I will never pay for DLC and will always pirate it without giving it a second thought. As Guybrush Threepwood said: "Never pay more than 50 bucks for a computer game". Yarrrr!

 

[ricolikesrice]

the idea about DLC isnt that bad but i so far havent witnessed any actual good execution of said idea in any recent game.

even if 5 or 7 bucks isnt much (and you often hear the cinema/food/whores argument...), well... neither is 1 hour of gameplay (hearing conflicting reports on Warden s keep lenght from 30 mins to 90 mins ).

if DLC went by some "1 buck per hour of entertainment" rule i ll give it a chance but not before that - good expansion packs (though of course there been plenty of bad ones too) certainly went with that rule in the past and i hope (but wouldnt bet on it) future DLC for dragon age has a bit more to it than warden s keep. (which would be more interesting if it wasnt just a dungeon crawl but actually a keep like in BG2/NWN2) . to be honest i cant even be arsed to pirate 1 hour of gameplay

 

[Clockwork Knight]

The DLC is offered through NPCs with huge glowing exclamation marks over their heads.

One is constantly in your camp, where its always night so he glows like a beacon and you cannot kill him or send him away.

The other is at the entrance of a location visible on the map.

Can't you turn the exclmations off

 

[LazyD]

You made the accusation so prove it. Innocent til proven guilty 9though, technically this isn't a courtroom) so we cna believe whatever we want here even if it is bullshit.

Nvm I got trolled by a fag

 

[Weresloth]

You made the accusation so prove it. Innocent til proven guilty 9though, technically this isn't a courtroom) so we cna believe whatever we want here even if it is bullshit.

Theres nothing to prove! Its as clear as fucking day. Are you really that much of a consoletard faggot?

Dumb post.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

No, just a... lazy post.