Game News Dragon Age Gets Its Own Languages

[Volourn]

No.

And, I ignored that other shit as it was irrevelant to the discussion.

R00fles!

 

[DarkSign]

You made it relevant when you discounted it earlier in the thread.

Let's recap!

1) volly said...
Anyways, this whole language things means shit to me. To me, it adds absolutely NOTHING to the game just like fake languages add nothing for me in LOTR, SW, or ST.


2) then I said...

Agree with Volly and Slaytanic (welcome btw). If they had taken this obviously half-way intelligent guy and put him to use doing ACTUALY writing, think how much more content they might have.

The language thing adds nothing of value and will most likely never catch on.

3) Exitum couldnt read sarcasm and said...So he's only half as intelligent as you claim to be even though (add drivel here)

4) Then you contradict yourself by saying...
In conclusion, what's hialrious here is that somehow you thought you were agreeing with me but you weren't.

5) Afterwhich I call you on it...

6) And finally you discount my catching you by saying it's immaterial to our discussion.

So either take your gruel and like it...or dont call me out on shit. You cant flame people then not expect to talk about it. Thats silly! R00fles!

 

[obediah]

Yeah and like this guy donated his time. Or pehaps the govenment gave bioware a $50K grant, on the condition that it only be spent on developing new languages for the game.

Myopic retard.

Or perhaps they have a budget,

I'm going to stop you right there. Making a budget means taking a pile of money and deciding how to split it among competing areas. I'm not attacking Bioware priorities with this game, I'm attacking the marketting hand-waving that people do so as not to offend any customers.

When a customer says "i think feature X is a waste of resources that should have gone to feature Y." The honest answer would be something like, "This is our game, and we really want X", or "We've got a lot of people working on Y already, and we think we'll get more bang for our remaining resources by working on X instead of increasing staffing for Y.".

However, marketeers (and parotting fanboys) mutter some non-committal passive crap about X and Y being separate tasks so that X doesn't take away from Y at all. Which is only true when you have infinite parallel resources - and therefore no budget.

and aren't incompetant with money. This would seem evident considering they are a financially successful company.

"Guys... We don't have any money for the storyline anymore. Ray blew it all on fantasy languages!"

Give me a break.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Sigh you keep missing the forest for the trees, fucktard.

Even if hes not a direct employee...hes brought in for one thing...the FUCKING MONEY AND MANPOWER could have been spent on something else. Way to try to save your ass with a semantic piece of bullshit.

Nice job stepping over my quote of you contradicting yourself and the difference between a videogame language and those of multi-media franchises, btw.

R00fles!

Oh yeah, Bioware is a very small company that only has 2 dollars for a budget, so they should spend it all on (insert whatever the hell it is you think they should be spending their 2 dollars on) and nothing else.

Manpower? BioWare hired the guy precisely so he could write the languages instead of having one of their own writers or programmers do it. Surely you aren't proposing that they should have hired him to write the storyline instead, do you?

3) Exitum couldnt read sarcasm and said...So he's only half as intelligent as you claim to be even though (add drivel here)

Sarcasm? This isn't the first time you've talked about how incredibly intelligent you are, with your ability to converse in several languages, all the while making millions of dollars from the companies you run or work at. It's rather convenient that you would suddenly choose to act humble and backpedal by calling your remarks 'sarcastic' when somebody calls you on your 'better than thou', know-it-all attitude.

When a customer says "i think feature X is a waste of resources that should have gone to feature Y." The honest answer would be something like, "This is our game, and we really want X", or "We've got a lot of people working on Y already, and we think we'll get more bang for our remaining resources by working on X instead of increasing staffing for Y.".

I'll tell you what I think, I want BioWare to implement whatever the hell it is they want to implement, as they see fit, because they're making the game they want to make and they certainly don't have to pander to some armchair internet debaters over the use of their funds.

 

[crufty]

In Ultima, didn't the gargoyles have their own language? Did that make it more fun, or less?

I can't imagine it detracting from the experience.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Yeah, the Gargoyles had their own language and fun terms like "Port Or Grav" are still used by the fans of Ultima, to this very day. It's definitely one of the more memorable aspects about the series. It wouldn't have been so special if it wasn't for Garriott's attention to detail, or if it had Gargoyles that spoke English.

It's the same with the Dabuses in Planescape Torment, their 'rebuses-image speech' was definitely a nice touch. It's those fine little details that add immersion into the game, and that's how I see the application of languages in Dragon Age. It wouldn't make much sense for elves and dwarves or what have you to all be speaking in English, would it? Especially if there were a lot of them.

 

[Greatatlantic]

If anything I have ever said has sounded like a criticism of custom languages because they would be at the expense of story and what not, let me rephrase and by doing so put forth a new argument.

What I want to hear from Bioware is that they realized their stories and characters from the last few games at least (haven't played the BG series) have been well below the high standards set by Fallout and Torment and other like classics. As such, they will try to achieve a much more mature and less trite story. Instead, I hear they hired a linguist to make their world more immersive. Thats nice and all, but not what I want to hear. So help me heaven, if Dragon Age has the retrieve four things plot device I'll... be dissappointed.

 

[Sol Invictus]

As I see it, if they're willing to hire a linguist to create unique languages for the game's setting, then they're more than likely willing to write a more mature and less trite story.

After all, Dragon Age is their own intellectual property, and they don't have to adhere to the strict story guidelines and constrictions of the WOTC or LucasArts, and furthermore, I am sure that as game developers, they'd certainly want their game to be perceived as one with a deep and complex narrative, rather than a shallow dungeon crawling experience. It certainly stands to reason that if that's what they were aiming for, then they wouldn't have hired a linguist to write 3 languages for the game.

 

[Volourn]

BIO isn't trying to make FO, or PST. They don't want to. If you want another FO or PST; BIo is not the company for you. Period. And, Fo's story isn't exactly cream of the crop either - KOTOR's story is better, the OC is as good (story wise), and HOTU is better. And, the BG's stories absolutely DESTROY Fo's and is at the minimum equal to 'OMG I'm an immortal who has amnesia!" storyline of PST.

R00fles!


"So help me heaven, if Dragon Age has the retrieve four things plot device I'll... be dissappointed."

BIO has used this in only 2 games, and 1 exapnsion. Not bad for a company that has made 4 other games, and 3 other expansions.

R00fles!

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

And, the BG's stories absolutely DESTROY Fo's and is at the minimum equal to 'OMG I'm an immortal who has amnesia!" storyline of PST.

R00fles!

 

[DarkSign]

"I'll tell you what I think, I want BioWare to implement whatever the hell it is they want to implement, as they see fit, because they're making the game they want to make and they certainly don't have to pander to some armchair internet debaters over the use of their funds."

So all of your opinions about Bioware are hereafter null and void. Ok. I agree with that.

"Sarcasm? This isn't the first time you've talked about how incredibly intelligent you are, with your ability to converse in several languages, all the while making millions of dollars from the companies you run or work at. It's rather convenient that you would suddenly choose to act humble and backpedal by calling your remarks 'sarcastic' when somebody calls you on your 'better than thou', know-it-all attitude. "

First of all I didnt call myself intelligent in this thread, so nice try with the "this isnt the first time"

Second of all, I dont make millions FROM the companies I work for, I make profit FOR the companies I work with.

Third of all, any self-descriptions Ive written have been in response to an attack from someone. I would LOVE for you to find a thread where I start raving about how wonderful I am without responding to come crap from someone else. So quit that bullshit.

I merely was saying that the money could have been better spent, but they are the professionals in this business Im not. We all spot these kinds of opinions so dont cry foul ball, idiot.

At least you're doing better than Volly who contradicted himself.

 

[Sol Invictus]

So all of your opinions about Bioware are hereafter null and void. Ok. I agree with that.

...and everything you say about BioWare are statements of fact? R00fles! Get over yourself, DarkSign.

First of all I didnt call myself intelligent in this thread, so nice try with the "this isnt the first time

I was referring to all the other times you've asserted that you were intelligent, in other threads. If you had any modicum of comprehension you would realize that I was inferring that this wasn't your first display of condescension.

Second of all, I dont make millions FROM the companies I work for, I make profit FOR the companies I work with.

We're not going to let a little niggle get in the way of a spirited argument now, are we?

Third of all, any self-descriptions Ive written have been in response to an attack from someone. I would LOVE for you to find a thread where I start raving about how wonderful I am without responding to come crap from someone else. So quit that bullshit.

Fair enough, since my patience is rather limited, I'm not going to spend an hour digging up all the posts you've made, though anyone else can feel free to do so. Until then, I'll just take your word for it.

 

[Greatatlantic]

As I see it, if they're willing to hire a linguist to create unique languages for the game's setting, then they're more than likely willing to write a more mature and less trite story.

Sounds good coming from you, it would sound much better coming from them. When Bethsoft announced Oblivion, they admitted the combat and NPCs of Morrowind were percieved as being pretty weak, and said they were going to try to do better with Oblivion. Now, had they just announced the change the age with a slider thing, I'd say thats nice and all, but thats not what I want to hear. Ahh, well, when is this game scheduled to come out?

 

[Volourn]

"said they were going to try to do better with Oblivion."

I don't believe them. It's hype. They're gonna keep Oblivion playing exactly like the other ES games. Afterall, why should they change it? Because, we say so? LOLOLOLLIPOP Arrogant, aren't we?

 

[Sol Invictus]

Volourn, are your electronic synapses having an overload? I would suggest rerouting your logic algorithms to your backup processor. What the hell does LOLOLOLLIPOP mean?

 

[DarkUnderlord]

"said they were going to try to do better with Oblivion."

I don't believe them. It's hype. They're gonna keep Oblivion playing exactly like the other ES games. Afterall, why should they change it? Because, we say so? LOLOLOLLIPOP Arrogant, aren't we?

Actually, if you'd read it, you would've understood that they say so.

 

[Neverwhere]

Imagine if Dragon age spawns sequel after sequel and develops a rabid fan base ala Star Trek...
As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in made up languages and were suddenly retarded.

More like:
As if millions of retards suddenly cried out in made up languages.

Some things are a given.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Well, given that Dragon Age is limited to PC gamers, I don't think it can get anywhere as bad as people who speak in Elvish, Klingon or Drow. Drow were introduced to the mass media in R.A. Salvatore's books and now there's millions of retards screaming "Jal Khaless" and "Oloth plynn dos!"

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Look! Up above! THERE'S ONE OF THEM NOW!!

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Damn. DU beat me to it.