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[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I did get unlucky a couple of times on things I went in on, particularly Halloween. I always did due diligence, there was no way in 2013-2015 that I could have known through lawyers and normal ways, that Harvey Weinstein would take the whole thing down. It’s not like I was foreign to Hollywood or Malibu, I heard plenty of stories. But they usually framed Harvey as a “bully and sociopath” — that’s not abnormal in business, him actually rapin people and getting convicted, I had no way of foreseeing that and neither did a lot of people who’s names you know. He cost normatively degenerate people in Hollywood billions of dollars by going way over the line, I was one of them. None of us are amused. It’s why he fell so hard — none of us would give him the time of day, from a transaction or finance POV, once the rape allegations seemed legit.

Which ones? And by what metric?

Most of the ones I heard about sounded like the women were willing, and there was zero proof except an accusation 20 years after the fact.

 

[MLMarkland]

Roguey has changed the least in a decade

Basic personality is the same but I've calmed considerably and quite a number of my opinions have changed.

Just sayin.

 

[MLMarkland]

I did get unlucky a couple of times on things I went in on, particularly Halloween. I always did due diligence, there was no way in 2013-2015 that I could have known through lawyers and normal ways, that Harvey Weinstein would take the whole thing down. It’s not like I was foreign to Hollywood or Malibu, I heard plenty of stories. But they usually framed Harvey as a “bully and sociopath” — that’s not abnormal in business, him actually rapin people and getting convicted, I had no way of foreseeing that and neither did a lot of people who’s names you know. He cost normatively degenerate people in Hollywood billions of dollars by going way over the line, I was one of them. None of us are amused. It’s why he fell so hard — none of us would give him the time of day, from a transaction or finance POV, once the rape allegations seemed legit.

Which ones? And by what metric?

Most of the ones I heard about sounded like the women were willing, and there was zero proof except an accusation 20 years after the fact.

Harvey? Man we, including actresses, would give a pass to most nonsense, when people turned on Harvey it was real and it cost people billions (incl me).

The guy went over the line. Call it whatever you want. Hollywood is not a holy sepulcher. But if Hollywood collectively says “too far bro” it’s definitely too far.

 

[MLMarkland]

he also lost his virginity in nam

Nam was a crucible for a guy like me born in 1978

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Harvey? Man we, including actresses, would give a pass to most nonsense, when people turned on Harvey it was real and it cost people billions (incl me).

Ok, so which cases were real rape? Do you even know?

What was the evidence?

 

[MLMarkland]

Harvey? Man we, including actresses, would give a pass to most nonsense, when people turned on Harvey it was real and it cost people billions (incl me).

Ok, so which cases were real rape? Do you even know?

What was the evidence?

from a biz pov it’s irrelevant — that’s a criminal question

He became uninsurable and anything he had a piece of got sucked in BK court.

From my pov as a businessman, it was irrelevant how far over the line he went — he was no longer insurable nor bankable which has nothing to do with cancel culture — Lloyd’s of London will insure a private mercenary. They wouldn’t insure Harvey.

Game over.

Regardless of why someone becomes uninsurable, if they do become uninsurable it doesn’t really matter what they did and it takes extreme behavior in Hollywood to become not insurable.

Once he’s not insurable, I can’t turn around and tell EA or Amazon, oh this is great — it’s not, everyone is exposed or we are self insuring — it’s a disaster.

That’s why I can say radical, from the Hollywood POV things, and still never be a risk — I don’t do illegal drugs, I never did something that makes insurance question whether they can bond a project. I produced an MPAA movie - the success matters to me, but to insurance is actuaries.

Can we insure this guy? Yes? Ok fuck it. No? Game over.

Ben became uninsurable for much lower bar on Batman v Superman — insurability isn’t about are you convicted of a crime — it’s “can we make an actuarial bet this guy will do what he says he’ll do?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Ok, I looked it up. The rape charges were for Miriam “Mimi” Haleyi and Jessica Mann.

Haleyi's evidence was her word. She said that in 2006 she let him rape her because she just decided she couldn't resist, so she "checked out". This was in her apartment after multiple passes by him, and her knowing his terrible reputation with women. She went to his hotel room voluntarily for sex after this.

Mann's evidence was her word. She associated with him for years after the 2013 rape, then got "raped" again by him later.

There was also another woman who claimed rape, but the jury didn't unanimously buy it.

I think the guy is a creep, and he deserves to be ostracized, but that could have been done without dragging this clown show through the courts.

The idea that some woman can claim you raped her nearly 20 years after the fact and not bring any evidence is pretty shitty.

 

[Vic]

pussy creates, pussy destroys

 

[Jenkem]

I'd like to thank Infinitron for putting me in charge of the Steam Curator group for RPG Codex.

 

[Harthwain]

Victim? Lick my balls.

Remember, no homo.

I didn’t start this thread, I posted an inarguably grey thing in another thread and crispy is butthurt and made this thread from that post.

It ain’t rocket science.

It may not be rocket science to you, an insider, but the amount of

and

suggests I am not the only one who was confused by this thread. Doubly so considering that you failed to explain the situation from the get-go despite making 11 (ELEVEN!) posts on the first page alone.

King Crispy made the situation clearer, which only made your butthurt reaction ("Delete my account and remove my Developer tag") look even more WTF than it already was. Evenmoreso considering that what he did wasn't really unreasonable.

 

[Sòren]

Ok, I looked it up. The rape charges were for Miriam “Mimi” Haleyi and Jessica Mann.

Haleyi's evidence was her word. She said that in 2006 she let him rape her because she just decided she couldn't resist, so she "checked out". This was in her apartment after multiple passes by him, and her knowing his terrible reputation with women. She went to his hotel room voluntarily for sex after this.

Mann's evidence was her word. She associated with him for years after the 2013 rape, then got "raped" again by him later.

There was also another woman who claimed rape, but the jury didn't unanimously buy it.

I think the guy is a creep, and he deserves to be ostracized, but that could have been done without dragging this clown show through the courts.

The idea that some woman can claim you raped her nearly 20 years after the fact and not bring any evidence is pretty shitty.

as MLMarkland says (thank u for those insights btw), it's not exactly about the rape allegations.

Weinstein went unpredictable, and "Hollywood" didn't know anymore if he is a reliable investment. once that happens, the dam breaks and people will hunt u down for mistakes, no matter if those accusations are true or not, u made in the past.

 

[United Nations]

he also lost his virginity in nam

THAT'S WHAT THE VC DID TO HIM.

 

[Tommy Gun]

I Like Turtles​

 

[Tommy Gun]

It's old and nobody is bothered, move on.

 

[Crispy]

I Like Turtles

You must be a SportsCenter fan.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I Like Turtles​

As do all prestigious Codexers.

 

[Vic]

because they're old and shriveled, just like them?