Marsal
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So which is it? Is it like GalCiv2 or like MoO2?
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Endless Space
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So which is it? Is it like GalCiv2 or like MoO2?
Transgressive Grenadier
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So the best space 4X is still a fan-patch Space Empires?
Marobug
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I was comparing the combat system in both games, not saying endless space was galciv2 clone.
Marsal
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So it's a MoO2 clone, except for combat?
fizzelopeguss
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Played for a couple of hours, feels lacking.
Marobug
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I'd say it's closer to moo1 but yes.
Don't 4x games take like 1 year of post release patches before hitting their stride?
fizzelopeguss
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Is it just me or are the Cravers a little OP, their fleets are vast.
Marobug
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I guess that's true about most 4x games but honestly I don't think that's the case with this one, I don't think they will change the core gameplay drastically, improve every aspect and ditch the idiotic combat with patches. Perhaps after half a dozen expansions like sots it will turn out decent, but that will take years, if it ever happens.
The cravers also can not be at peace. Regarding the combat, see this thread:
http://forums.amplitude-studios.com...stand.-(A-plea-for-tactical-turnbased-combat)
Well I liked the Gal Civ 2 combat because I saw the game as managing at a higher level, like the guy in charge of the overall setup with the focus on putting in place a proper system for winning the entire war and not be bothered with the minor tactical battles. WW2 wasn't won by tactical decisions on the battlefield so much as it was won by the system of gearing up entire nations for war with the nations most able to keep churning out military forces in ever increasing numbers having the edge. It's this that I see a game like Gal Civ emulating. MOO games operate at a different level, more on a tactical scale. SOTS(first one, haven't played the second) went even further with the focus on the fleet combat. All are fine in my view and different enough for me to be fan of all these games depending on how the mood takes me.
A shame that Endless Space doesn't have the AI or the options to pull off the macro side of the game at the moment, as the combat doesn't bother me at all. I'll go further and say that I like it as it still has that 'I am just the guy in overall charge and my subordinates are the ones in command of actual combat' like Churchill, with a little bit of the Hitler style interference with the cards. I see I'm not alone with many on that forum having similar views:
I think though that it will take a Sins of Solar Empire/Gal Civ 2/SOTS/Distant Worlds etc. style of re-releases with extra options and refinement for this game to make it though. Hope it does as I really like the ship art style and the presentation.
A shame that Endless Space doesn't have the AI or the options to pull off the macro side of the game at the moment, as the combat doesn't bother me at all. I'll go further and say that I like it as it still has that 'I am just the guy in overall charge and my subordinates are the ones in command of actual combat' like Churchill, with a little bit of the Hitler style interference with the cards. I see I'm not alone with many on that forum having similar views:
For those that like tactical battles there's still SOTS2(eventually after another 100 patches). I'd prefer this game to branch out more in the strategic realm instead.
I think though that it will take a Sins of Solar Empire/Gal Civ 2/SOTS/Distant Worlds etc. style of re-releases with extra options and refinement for this game to make it though. Hope it does as I really like the ship art style and the presentation.
I guess they hit a RAW nerve.
Marsal
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To be fair, modeling all those ships for shits and giggles is up there with AoD and Amalur in wasting resources on stupid shit.
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What are you referring to? Some of the comments in that thread? I simply didn't want to discuss the advantages of super HD cinematic combat when I ask for TBS combat.
No, I am done with SC2 until HotS arrives.
Yes and no. While I prefer the much simpler Gal Civ style of doing the same basic thing for speed of resolution if nothing else, I also understand that they were going for the next gen crowd here so yeah, maybe it wasn't wasted resources if it sells, right?
The main reason for the cinematics is speeding up MP. As one of the developers wrote on steam, this game is managing an empire, not battles.
Well while I acknowledge that that may be the focus and I don't mind it, I don't see how cinematics actually speed up multi when a GalCiv style of combat is faster. It's the equivalent of a Total War game ditching autoresolve in favor of rendering a mostly non-interactive battle scene.
me neither.
Marsal
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Notice the troll, bro.
Sure, but it's still unnecessary eye candy, designed to draw in filthy casuals. Look at Civilization franchise and sorry state it has been in since that console game. Spending resources on graphics in a 4x game, while your AI is fubar, is catering to the wrong market and doesn't deserve support of any kind.
fizzelopeguss
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First patch needs to add some personality to the races, the aliens threatening to squirt eggs into my anus whilst probing my borders etc.
MetalCraze
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Well it's a nice 4X for children that never played space strategies and want to learn how to press End Turn button.
Thats untrue, while in early game there isnt much to do other than passing the turn and scouting the universe later when you have more systems it can get microintensive. And at war? Managing lots of fleets and building queues takes a lot of time.
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