Game News Eschalon Book II Released for Windows

[Shagnak]

Bought it.

It appears to follow on from the events in the last game. In fact you appear to be the same person.

I remember most of the plot of the last game, but can't remember some of the finer details. Anyone got a ink to a spoilerific run-down of the last game so I can refresh my brain and increase my appreciation of any references etc etc?

 

[Country_Gravy]

Uh, if you're not planning on spending money anyway, it doesn't matter which game you pirate. No physical copy being removed from inventory, etc. No one is being "hit".

Yeah, $25 is too expensive. Remember, you have to multiply the amount in dollars by 2, 3 or even 5 to know how much it costs for people in poor countries. It's like people in US paying $60 for this game.

"People in poor countries" need to suck it up and pay their share for "premium" US products. If you don't like it then buy a turn based RPG from your country...unless your country is too poor and stupid to have people capable of making these games. It's not the developers fault that your economy is run by a bunch of faggots that can't control the price of their currency. I guess you can use the "I'm poor" excuse to steal shit. Common criminals do that all the time.

Keep your country poor so that we don't have a reason to bomb your bitch ass country into the stone age...not that you would have far to go.

Anyway, enough ranting do dumbfucks...demo looks good. I am going to purchase.

 

[Shagnak]

Anyone got a ink to a spoilerific run-down of the last game so I can refresh my brain and increase my appreciation of any references etc etc?

Oh forget that, wikipedia has a synopsis, of course.

 

[someone else]

*Attempts to derail thread*
I thought weaker currency means more exports, not because a bunch of faggots can't control their currency.

 

[Country_Gravy]

*Attempts to derail thread*
I thought weaker currency means more exports, not because a bunch of faggots can't control their currency.

Nope. Definitely caused by faggots....and the Chinese...and Chinese faggots.

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

Nice, I will buy this one for sure.

As for the poor thirdworldia downloaders...no sympathy I'm afraid. I couldn't just buy any old game I wanted (or pirate it) back when I was younger, and had to work absolute crap paying jobs and save up for weeks, if not months, to get an RPG. Usually I bought a game that had already been out for 6 months if not a few years after release. Not to mention missing out on the other 5-10 games that came out at the same time due to having to choose which game to get.

As for paying the equivalent of $60? Yes, so did I back then! Who would have thought it? Sometimes they were cheaper, but if you wanted a brand new Ultima game, then you had to pay through the nose. Games are a lot cheaper now, even if you buy them from a games shop. Ridiculously cheaper when you take into account inflation.

Decline is in everything these days.

 

[FeelTheRads]

As for the poor thirdworldia downloaders...no sympathy I'm afraid. I couldn't just buy any old game I wanted (or pirate it) back when I was younger, and had to work absolute crap paying jobs and save up for weeks, if not months, to get an RPG.

Where do you live?

but if you wanted a brand new Ultima game

Because were I live not only buying a game would've been destroying you financially, but it would've been pretty much impossible since you had NOWHERE to buy them at that time.And even now, the selection is pretty limited, but at least there's online buying.

Just so you know, people in third-world countries work too, except they won't get payed as much as you and the game will cost the same.

I'm not trying to say it's their right to pirate games if they can't afford them, that's absurd, but it's pretty amusing when an Amerifag or some such gives morality lessons, when in USA every little nigger has a 360 or otherwise whines he can't get one because he has to stuff himself with fucking $20 pizzas and then tells people that will NEVER be able to afford games (because there are people who simply can't save enough) that they are destroying the industry.

The nerve of some people. No sympathy... well, I'm sure nobody gives a flying fuck about your sympathy.




In before "U CAN AFORD COMPUTAR U CAN AFFODR GAEMS LOLOLO"

 

[Darth Roxor]

There's a lot of herpderp in this thread

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

As for the poor thirdworldia downloaders...no sympathy I'm afraid. I couldn't just buy any old game I wanted (or pirate it) back when I was younger, and had to work absolute crap paying jobs and save up for weeks, if not months, to get an RPG.

Where do you live?

but if you wanted a brand new Ultima game

Because were I live not only buying a game would've been destroying you financially, but it would've been pretty much impossible since you had NOWHERE to buy them at that time.And even now, the selection is pretty limited, but at least there's online buying.

Just so you know, people in third-world countries work too, except they won't get payed as much as you and the game will cost the same.

I'm not trying to say it's their right to pirate games if they can't afford them, that's absurd, but it's pretty amusing when an Amerifag or some such gives morality lessons, when in USA every little nigger has a 360 or otherwise whines he can't get one because he has to stuff himself with fucking $20 pizzas and then tells people that will NEVER be able to afford games (because there are people who simply can't save enough) that they are destroying the industry.


In before "U CAN AFORD COMPUTAR U CAN AFFODR GAEMS LOLOLO"

But you can buy it online, and I couldn't give a damn about the industry. I am talking about one guy making an old school RPG who provides a large demo to check out. Do what you want with Mass Effect, Dragons Age, or whatever other next-gen CRPG's you wish to play. I couldn't care less.

If you really enjoyed the game demo for Eschalon, or any other indie CRPG, save up and buy it. After all, if you enjoy it enough to play past the demo, what excuse do you have apart from crying poor? And as I have shown, that isn't really a valid excuse. You obviously have money to do something, so if you choose to spend your leisure time playing Eschalon, I don't see why you shouldn't pay money to do so. Just save up over time.

Out of interest, how have you managed to get a computer if you are so poor? I am willing to bet it is a better computer than my 6 year old clunker too. Are you claiming you cannot afford games? If that is so, then I honestly cannot see how you could afford a computer. Or the internet to post with. Or does UNICEF provide all this for free?

Poor thirdworldia's cannot even afford a US $25 game. Right...whatever you say. Please forgive me if you live in outer Mongolia or Africa.

And no, I don't live in America. Not the southern Thirdworld part of America either where Codexers from these places can apparently afford European cars, iPhones and other assorted garbage, but not games.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I am talking about one guy making an old school RPG

Are you? Because I read a sad moralizing story about how you had to OMG save to buy games. Sorry, no fucking sympathy I'm afraid.

Out of interest, how have you managed to get a computer if you are so poor?

Not talking about me, since I can now afford to buy games and upgrade my computer very well. But if you are so curious, up until 2000-2001 I had a 233Mhz Cyrix, 32Mb Ram and 4Mb video, which was upgraded by "saving" from 16Mb Ram and 1Mb video.

If that is so, then I honestly cannot see how you could afford a computer.

How predictable. A computer is not specifically for gaming, in which case one is more willing to make sacrifices (borrowing etc) to buy one than for a game.

Poor thirdworldia's cannot even afford a US $25 game. Right...whatever you say.

OK, so you're an Amerifag, if not in body at least in mind.

Obviously there are those who can afford them and will still not buy them, but you actually think everybody can afford it. That's hilarious.

And don't worry, those who can afford and still pirate are pirating the ones you don't care about, like Dragon Age and the likes.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Out of interest, how have you managed to get a computer if you are so poor? I am willing to bet it is a better computer than my 6 year old clunker too. Are you claiming you cannot afford games? If that is so, then I honestly cannot see how you could afford a computer. Or the internet to post with. Or does UNICEF provide all this for free?

this might come as a surprise to some of you, but computers and internet can also be used for work, which takes priority over entertainment (in b4 "then don't have entertainment". Yeah, go suck a dick)

and yes, the gubmint sometimes needs to help

Poor thirdworldia's cannot even afford a US $25 game. Right...whatever you say. Please forgive me if you live in outer Mongolia or Africa.

Well, of course I can afford it, only I'll have to cut on something else, like...food, gas, rent...

this money thingie is so complicated

And don't worry, those who can afford and still pirate are pirating the ones you don't care about, like Dragon Age and the likes.

but then it doesn't count because these companies are rich, so not removing from an inventory from them hurts them less

r00fles!

 

[lehphyro]

As to those whining how they can't afford it and it should be theres anayways, I'm not sure what morals you learned in your country but wow you are a waste of oxygen.

It's not about affordability, it's about fairness. I bought super street fighter 4 for R$200. Imagine yourself paying two hundred bucks for a game!
Now, if you think that's ok and that 5-10 nations can have all the wealth and fuck up the rest of the world in every imaginable way (setting up comercial barriers, invading poor countries because of oil, etc), than I think piracy is ok.

 

[FeelTheRads]

These programs are supporting piracy! People getting computers for free or cheap will pirate games and destroy indie developers!

Now, if you think that's ok and that 5-10 nations can have all the wealth

Dude, shut up, if your country doesn't develop games itz suksorz, suck it up.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

God fucking god. I have just spent 190PLN on a hentai manga. That's more than I have paid for my computer.
How the fuck is it possible that two first tomes are available everywhere but there are only six third tomes available for sale in the whole fucking world and four of them are used? What's going on?
Anyway, good that I have managed to buy it before someone bought it from before my nose like it was with that 120PLN copy. It would hurt like hell to buy the 270PLN or 400PLN one.

As for paying the equivalent of $60? Yes, so did I back then! Who would have thought it? Sometimes they were cheaper, but if you wanted a brand new Ultima game, then you had to pay through the nose.

When you buy an Ultima game, you don't buy just a program.
You buy a manual (or two), a cloth map, sometimes a coin or an ankh. It was a true luxury.
They don't make them like they used to be .
I agree, though. I'd gladly pay 60PLN for Eschalon Book II with a box, printed manual and a cloth map .

Anyway, all these talk about premium indie games is hilarious. Fallout was a premium game. Indie games aren't "premium" - they are made by a small team at low cost and sold for something which is a small price where they are sold.
As Vogel has said - cheap games made at cheap cost.

The problem is that if one lives in a country where work is three times cheaper, they stop being cheap and get into "expensive" category, which is for real premium games, which indies aren't going to provide because they are cheap by default.

Anyway, I think I still have 25PLN left on my account . If they want it, they can have it. If not, I'll buy something else.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

A guy in Vietnam could say that he'd be entitled to pay the equivalent of 25 cents. That stuff would have no end.

Anyhow, game's great. I don't understand the complaints about simplistic combat, sometimes you just want something simple to manage and to play, and something that's straightforward.

And there are so many things that this guy does incredibly right. The descriptions of characters and locations are always fantastic, the writing is top-notch, the harp music is relaxing and unbelievably god, the exploration great, the 2D graphics are complemented by a ton of subtle effects that add a lot to the atmosphere, the quests never get too overwhelming and confusing, and there are tons of little touches that serve to add depth to the game. It even seems not to run like complete shit on my Intel GPU laptop anymore!

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

A guy in Vietnam could say that he'd be entitled to pay the equivalent of 25 cents. That stuff would have no end.

Obviously, selling games for 25 cents wouldn't make much sense.
A 5-10$ offer could make much more additional sales from developing countries, though, which could make a big enough difference to be a rational business decision.

 

[Trash]

If you're being a thief just be one without making up all the fucking stupid "oooh but I'm poor" excuses. Bah.

Anyway, hope this game is a bit more involving than the first. That one somehow managed to bore me pretty badly. Will see if the demo is to my liking.

 

[Vault Dweller]

My early impressions and screens:
http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/in ... 519.0.html

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

If you're being a thief just be one without making up all the fucking stupid "oooh but I'm poor" excuses. Bah.

I don't play any not removed from inventory games that aren't abandonware. I'm just saying that I would consider buying it for 25 PLN, nothing more.

 

[Sceptic]

My early impressions and screens:
http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/in ... 519.0.html

Thank you, VD, for turning this away from yet another piracy discussion and into more interesting (and relevant territory).

The mini-review has convinced me to at least try the demo. If I like that I'm buying it.

 

[relootz]

My early impressions and screens:
http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/in ... 519.0.html

Where are your impressions from the first game VD?

 

[FeelTheRads]

A 5-10$ offer could make much more additional sales from developing countries, though, which could make a big enough difference to be a rational business decision.

Yeah, tell that to the dumbshit capitalists who think it's a great idea to destroy surplus rather than reducing the price or even giving it away.

If you're being a thief just be one without making up all the fucking stupid "oooh but I'm poor" excuses. Bah.

If you're being a retard, just be in your own home don't pollute us with it.

 

[Donkey Balls]

To all my homies from Thirdworldia...

Mama say:
Son, I ain't got no food today,
Tit for tat, butter for fish,
There's a little porridge in the dish.

Mama say:
Son, you've got to stay home today,
There's a hole in the roof,
You've got to make it waterproof.

Son, daddy left you were from you were four,
I've got to struggle 'cause I am poor.
She said: food is a very hard thing to find,
Sometime I feel like I'm going out of my mind.

Mama say:
Son, today look like a rainy day,
But the food I ain't got enough,
Rain a fall but dutty tough.

Mama say:
Son, I ain't got no food today,
Tit for tat, butter for fish,
There's a little porridge in the dish.

Daddy left you were from you were four,
I've been strugglin', 'cause I am poor.
To find food here, it's so hard at time,
I feel like, son, I'm going out of my mind.

Mama say:
Son, I ain't got no food today,
Tit for tat, butter for fish,
Here's a little porridge in the dish.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

A 5-10$ offer could make much more additional sales from developing countries, though, which could make a big enough difference to be a rational business decision.

Yeah, tell that to the dumbshit capitalists who think it's a great idea to destroy surplus rather than reducing the price or even giving it away.

Well, not always. World of Goo has adjusted prices here. When I buy history books (where often much more money is charged for knowledge itself than reproduction costs), they usually have adjusted prices too. For example a book that costs 40$ in Kwa will often cost 40-50PLN in Poland.
Hell, if you want to work here, you have to adjust your prices. Of course some times it's not possible due to rarity (people from different countries compete for the same product) and reproduction costs (for example, novels at adjusted prices don't happen), but these don't apply to video games.

I'm pretty sure that it could be possible if the idea would be brought up often enough without referring to piracy.

 

[GarfunkeL]

I'm annoyed that there's no keyboard shortcut for attacking or opening doors. One could press TAB to bring out the grid and that could change the auto-map into a list of visible enemies and you'd just press suitable buttons (a-z f.e) while keeping TAB pressed, so as not to conflict with regular hotkeys. Then you wouldn't need mouse at all.

Or, you could make it that doors open automatically as you walk against them.

And why no party? Even just a duo/trio would be great in here, instead of having to create a typical Oblivionish, master-of-all-trades character.