Fallout Fallout 2 is boring

[kris]

Hey, a trip to Ukraine is worth it, whatever the excuse.

I think there would quite a difference between tjernobyl and Kiev

 

[Psilon]

Hey, a trip to Ukraine is worth it, whatever the excuse.

I think there would quite a difference between tjernobyl and Kiev

I don't know. Given what happened to Yushchenko, I'd say that a vacation in Chernobyl is probably better for one's health if running for office.

 

[kingcomrade]

Well I don't think they would be STAYING in tjernobyl

 

[Atrokkus]

I think there would quite a difference between tjernobyl and Kie

Yeah, Chernobyl is a much safer place.

 

[kingcomrade]

It's like THE GLOW! Which isn't in Fallout 2, because Fallout 2 is, to borrow a phrase, a "2 flush corn log."

 

[Revasser]

It's like THE GLOW! Which isn't in Fallout 2, because Fallout 2 is, to borrow a phrase, a "2 flush corn log."

The Glow fucking rocks. One of the best moments in Fallout, in my opinion.

 

[kingcomrade]

I've always kinda wondered though. It must've been hit by a pretty puny nuke. Anything bigger than an atomic firecracker and it would be a crater, not a functioning base with a few charred bodies about.

 

[Revasser]

I've always kinda wondered though. It must've been hit by a pretty puny nuke. Anything bigger than an atomic firecracker and it would be a crater, not a functioning base with a few charred bodies about.

Was it actually a real BOOM-ish nuke that hit the base there? I don't seem to remeber that actually ever being stated. I always assumed it was a neutron bomb or something, which is why the radiation lingered for so long and why the crater was pretty small.

 

[kingcomrade]

Still, even a neutron bomb that close would've fried all of the circuitry in that base.

 

[Revasser]

Still, even a neutron bomb that close would've fried all of the circuitry in that base.

That's true. It was a mega-advanced-and-important military research base, though, so it's possible that they shielded their equipment from any EMP that might result from a nearby nuclear blast (or one that fell on top of them). Or the designers just didn't give it that much thought.

 

[kingcomrade]

I thought it was a private research facility (WestTek) on a military contract. In the game, where they talk about the military taking over, they move all the junk to Mariposa.

Of course, yeah, the designers probably just didn't worry about it.

 

[Revasser]

I thought it was a private research facility (WestTek) on a military contract. In the game, where they talk about the military taking over, they move all the junk to Mariposa.

Of course, yeah, the designers probably just didn't worry about it.

Was it? Yeah, I think you're right. It's been a while since I last played Fallout. I think I'll play through it again after I'm done with my current BG1Tutu run through and refresh my memory.

 

[bryce777]

Nukes dont actually make big craters, and they are not going to penetrate through solid rock either because it will be an airbust detonation at 5 miles in the air to get the maximum killing. Neutron bombs don't leave any fallout whatsoever, either.

The big question is why, since there are like 30k nukes in existence, anyne would survive a nuclear war at all.

 

[kingcomrade]

Nukes dont actually make big craters, and they are not going to penetrate through solid rock either because it will be an airbust detonation at 5 miles in the air to get the maximum killing. Neutron bombs don't leave any fallout whatsoever, either.

The big question is why, since there are like 30k nukes in existence, anyne would survive a nuclear war at all.

Wrong wrong wrong.
Nukes do make big craters.
Neutron bombs are ALL about radiation. You are definitely going to get fallout, it's just not going to be high atmosphere fallout.

If nobody survived the nuclear war, the game wouldn't be very fun, now would it?

 

[TheGreatGodPan]

Maybe not all the nukes got launched.

I SMELL A SEQUEL!

 

[MINIGUNWIELDER]

Maybe not all the nukes got launched.

I SMELL A SEQUEL!

to quote dilberts boss
"the key to marketing is to do the same thing even if it wont work"

 

[Shagnak]

t radiation. You are definitely going to get fallout, it's just not going to be high atmosphere fallout.

But I thought the idea with neutron bombs was that they were designed to cook people, but the radiation dissipates rapidly.
No hard radiation to be carried by the wind, no fallout.

http://www.manuelsweb.com/neutronbomb.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb

The radiation is "quickly attenuated" by the atmosphere, but can irradiate metals for a short period and also you have to wait for a while (might only be days/weeks) for "short lived isotopes" to disappear.

Perhaps repeated applications will cause long term residual surface radiation, I don't know, but since this is not atmospheric radiation (or resulting from settling radiation particles) I don't think you can technically call even that "fallout".

 

[Section8]

Still, even a neutron bomb that close would've fried all of the circuitry in that base.

That's true. It was a mega-advanced-and-important military research base, though, so it's possible that they shielded their equipment from any EMP that might result from a nearby nuclear blast (or one that fell on top of them).

Vacuum Tubes anyone?

Or the designers just didn't give it that much thought.

Or maybe they gave it more thought than the players, and that's just one of the reasons why Fallout is so goddamned good.

 

[bryce777]

The idea of a neutron bomb is to not have fallout at all.

Actually, there are several types they want to make or have made:

1. Heat bomb. Basically all heat and destruction.

2. Nondestructive. Basically super intense low halflife radiation occurs. Not much heat. Kills people but leaves building intact and there is no radioactive leftovers after a few weeks.

3. Directional.

 

[kingcomrade]

No, the idea of a neutron bomb is to not have any property damage at all while still killing everything within the radius. It uses radiation to kill all living organisms within the blast radius. Neutron bombs are called neutron bombs because they forcus on, get this, neutronic radiation. There wouldn't be any airborne fallout because there isn't much of a physical blast, it's an energy weapon.
You're mixing various things together. Neutron bombs don't kill with "heat" per se, they kill with intense radiation (energy). It would be like being next to the sun. The sun can't hurt you with "heat" because there's no medium in space, but it can kill you with radiation.

Troops moving into a placed that has been neutron-bombed need to weapon NBC shielding just like they would in a regular nuclear weapon.

 

[Micmu]

Since when is radiated heat not energy (EM, IR)? And doesn't travel through vacuum?

 

[kingcomrade]

You know what I mean. That's why I was putting quotes around it. It IS heat, but not heat the way he meant it.

 

[yipsl]

to quote dilberts boss
"the key to marketing is to do the same thing even if it wont work"

I guess Pete Hines got a haircut! I didn't notice any pointy hairs in his last interview video.

Seriously, my wife told me her marketing instructor claimed that bad marketing is better than no marketing, I thank God that she changed her major way back when because I think marketing is bunk and if I wanted to know something about marketing, I'd hire a marketer to tell me.

Actually, I'd hire a historian to tell me what marketers have done throughout history, since both marketers and politicians seem to try the same things over and over again.

 

[bryce777]

No, the idea of a neutron bomb is to not have any property damage at all while still killing everything within the radius. It uses radiation to kill all living organisms within the blast radius. Neutron bombs are called neutron bombs because they forcus on, get this, neutronic radiation. There wouldn't be any airborne fallout because there isn't much of a physical blast, it's an energy weapon.
You're mixing various things together. Neutron bombs don't kill with "heat" per se, they kill with intense radiation (energy). It would be like being next to the sun. The sun can't hurt you with "heat" because there's no medium in space, but it can kill you with radiation.

Troops moving into a placed that has been neutron-bombed need to weapon NBC shielding just like they would in a regular nuclear weapon.

Those are all different things in my point list.

 

[Mr. Van_Buren]

Bottom line, in my opinion ..

In the FO2 VS FO arena FO comes out the clear winner

In the FO2 VS "ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE" match, FO2 is still better overall ... even if what makes it better is a hold over from FO.