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Fuse Lockpick and Traps into the Security skill?

Discussion in 'Van Buren: A Fallout Adventure' started by The Brazilian Slaughter, Jan 19, 2014.

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Should we fuse Lockpick and Traps into the Security skill?

  1. Yes

    8 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. No

    10 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. Dynamites blow the trap and the lock (KC)

    4 vote(s)
    18.2%
  1. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    One of Van Buren's changes is the aparent fusion of Lockpick & Traps into one single skill, Security, which deals with both objects.

    Should we fuse or should we keep them separated?
     
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  2. Jaesun Fabulous Moderator

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    Sounds fine to me.
     
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  3. hiver Guest

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    I dont know, traps - Outdorsman?
    It doesnt really seem completely fitting and natural. And security is way too generic term - with some specific connotations, that doesnt really fit.

    How about good old fashioned and very clear - Burglary?

    While traps could get fused with Outdorsman - since that IS natural and very reasonable - easily acceptable. And then it could play a role in noticing and disabling traps while youre doing Burglary. Something like a double skill check, that AoD uses, only here it may be a bit softer and use the overall sum of two skills to handle the problem.
     
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  4. The_scorpion Liturgist

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    Sounds okay. Depends on what types of locks and traps will be depicted in the game. Either way, don't Focus too much on lockpicking since it's horibly overused in most RPG's. Like an almost destroyed rotting shack somewhere out in the wasteland barely held together by some bamboo sticks supporting the roof yet your superhero can hardly open the shack's door because of high-Level lock... or constantly locked chests and stuff that makes no sense whatsoever (did anybody say Wasteland 2?)
     
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  5. hiver Guest

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    Thing is... most locks you can just break or shoot off.
    I think that should be available- allowed in the game.

    The real problem should arise from that being a very loud action to take. Which should change he relations with NPCs - drastically.

    So... the actual locpicking and being able to disable traps should be important in specific places, where you dont want to be heard doing those things like bashing a lock with a rock or shooting at it. Where you dont want to be caught steeling.
    And of course, there should be a few safes or much harder and sturdy doors that you cant force or blast through - that will actually demand the high skill to handle.

    But the usual containers and simply locks should be breakable by force, if you dont have a skill.
     
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  6. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Not all traps would come under security, would they? One could as well use a mix of science+outdoorsman to craft traps and repair+outdoorsman to plant them, if that's of any help.
     
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  7. Kaucukovnik Cipher

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    Sounds messy, a separate skill may work better. Especially if multiple types of traps are planned.

    And dynamite is OP indeed. Low skill should have another drawback than just waiting a bit longer for badly timed detonators.
     
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  8. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    Lockpick is too usefull, it should be a separate skill. Fuse Traps and Outsdoorsman, that makes more sense (from a mechanics point of view, at least).
     
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  9. laclongquan Arcane

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    NOt entirely. Think: you find a mechanical trap under the floor of a military base, and you use the skill to live in the wilderness to defuse it? Ridiculous.

    Leave all three alone is my recommendation. Security sound more like hacking, anyway.
     
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  10. tuluse Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I could see traps being disarmed from a security skill, repair, or outdoorsman.

    Maybe drop traps and mark them as either outdoorsman or repair traps. So there are two trap disarming skills. It also gives two lesser skills an additional use.
     
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  11. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    Fuse away. Nobody ever thought "Hmmm, I really want to play as a trap-disarming specialist".
     
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  12. Commissar Draco Codexia Comrade Colonel Commissar Patron

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    Voted yes since setting traps should be Repair (construction) and Outdorsman (Simple traps and masking them) related.
     
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  13. Kaucukovnik Cipher

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    Make both skills worthwhile on their own if possible. Yeah, not being able to shoot locks is unrealistic. So is the inability to blow up thin walls with C4. Or the fact you can travel for weeks without food or water. Or the fact that except sleeping all healing takes effect instanteously.

    By this merging logic you could eliminate skills altogether and fuse them into stats in the end.
    Let's see merge-able skills:

    -Big Guns -> Firearms + STR
    -Energy Weapons -> Firearms + Science
    Melee -> Close Combat
    Small Guns -> Firearms
    Throwing
    -Unarmed -> Close Combat

    Doctor -> Medicine
    -First Aid -> Medicine
    -Lockpick -> Repair
    Repair
    Science
    Sneak
    -Steal -> Sneak
    -Traps -> Repair / Outdoorsman / Science

    -Barter -> Speech
    -Gambling - Speech (poker, etc) / Repair (fruit machines)
    Outdoorsman
    Speech

    Now we are left with 9 skills. That's almost the amount of base stats.
    Note that all the suggestions are far less convoluted than the proposed Locks & Traps merge or other suggestions. My examples could as well follow the precedent.
    (I actually agree with some of them, but not all by far)

    Bottom line: I like the merging/dissolving idea less and less as I think about it and I regret voting for the KC option at first. Can't think of a consistent way to merge them.
    And how is the UI supposed to handle an ability that's spread across multiple skills?
     
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