Preview GamersMark's detailed Oblivion criticism

[bryce777]

It is funny, you only take the bad previews for your so-called news.

There are at least 15 different previews since last saturday. Only 3 criticized some parts of the game.
So we have 3 threads about these 3 previews and 1-2 threads about the 12 others...

YEAH, you are a true news reporter, you should work for Foxnews.

A 'review' generally has some criticism in it. Please report to the disintegration chambers, dumbfuck. Thanks.

I didn't know we already got some reviews from Oblivion.

Are you a native english speaker? You are really incoherent.

I am not native English speaker (I hope native english speaker don't write English like me) but I don't see why I am incoherent.

Well,t hat is good at least. I am not either. I am not sure if it is a language issue or the point you are trying to make.

 

[Excrément]

Well,t hat is good at least. I am not either. I am not sure if it is a language issue or the point you are trying to make.

please explain my incoherence.

 

[bryce777]

Well,t hat is good at least. I am not either. I am not sure if it is a language issue or the point you are trying to make.

please explain my incoherence.

Please xplain what you said coherently. See? We are at an impasse. However, I am a wellknown supergenius and therefore you are wrong. The other supergenii on this board are laughing at you, too.

 

[Excrément]

Well,t hat is good at least. I am not either. I am not sure if it is a language issue or the point you are trying to make.

please explain my incoherence.

Please xplain what you said coherently. See? We are at an impasse. However, I am a wellknown supergenius and therefore you are wrong. The other supergenii on this board are laughing at you, too.

Ok first I said Vault Dweller was not objective when he selects the previews for the rpgcodex news because it was only negative previews and there are a great majority of positive previews.

Then you told me that a true "Review" criticized the games.

and I answered (or maybe noticed) that I didn't not any reviews were out.

My first post was a "point" (you can find it right or wrong)

My answer to you was just a remark with no link to my first post.

 

[Greatatlantic]

It is funny, you only take the bad previews for your so-called news.

There are at least 15 different previews since last saturday. Only 3 criticized some parts of the game.
So we have 3 threads about these 3 previews and 1-2 threads about the 12 others...

YEAH, you are a true news reporter, you should work for Foxnews.

The problem with that assumption is you seem to think that all opinion are of equal value. I have a neighbor who thinks we should nuke Iran/Iraq (he can't tell the difference between the 2). We all know that we shouldn't take this guy seriously, and no one does. If somebody writes a review saying how awesome the game was just like every past 50 games they previewed, but not saying why, we shouldn't take it seriously.

Obviously, this site lives to look past the hype and see what the game really is, but whats underneath the hype is rarely as pretty as the hype itself.

 

[Jed]

There are no less than four overly postive previews currently covered on the front-page, and three critical previews. What is this imbalance of which you speak?

 

[Excrément]

It is funny, you only take the bad previews for your so-called news.

There are at least 15 different previews since last saturday. Only 3 criticized some parts of the game.
So we have 3 threads about these 3 previews and 1-2 threads about the 12 others...

YEAH, you are a true news reporter, you should work for Foxnews.

The problem with that assumption is you seem to think that all opinion are of equal value. I have a neighbor who thinks we should nuke Iran/Iraq (he can't tell the difference between the 2). We all know that we shouldn't take this guy seriously, and no one does. If somebody writes a review saying how awesome the game was just like every past 50 games they previewed, but not saying why, we shouldn't take it seriously.

Obviously, this site lives to look past the hype and see what the game really is, but whats underneath the hype is rarely as pretty as the hype itself.

I don't think the 3 negative previews are more reliable than the 12 positive ones. I don't have the time to demonstrate what I just said (I need to reread all the previews, select the good from bad previewers...). I know it is an easy answer.

 

[bryce777]

It is funny, you only take the bad previews for your so-called news.

There are at least 15 different previews since last saturday. Only 3 criticized some parts of the game.
So we have 3 threads about these 3 previews and 1-2 threads about the 12 others...

YEAH, you are a true news reporter, you should work for Foxnews.

The problem with that assumption is you seem to think that all opinion are of equal value. I have a neighbor who thinks we should nuke Iran/Iraq (he can't tell the difference between the 2). We all know that we shouldn't take this guy seriously, and no one does. If somebody writes a review saying how awesome the game was just like every past 50 games they previewed, but not saying why, we shouldn't take it seriously.

Obviously, this site lives to look past the hype and see what the game really is, but whats underneath the hype is rarely as pretty as the hype itself.

I don't think the 3 negative previews are more reliable than the 12 positive ones. I don't have the time to demonstrate what I just said (I need to reread all the previews, select the good from bad previewers...). I know it is an easy answer.

"I know it an easy answer" Again, I think this transcends a language problem. What are you trying to say with this nonsense?

 

[Pr()ZaC]

He means that he doesn't have a point.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I don't think the 3 negative previews are more reliable than the 12 positive ones.

They are reliable not because they are negative, but because, unlike many other reviews, they provide details. Ironically, that's what makes them negative.

Surely you can see a difference between, say, "combat is great!" or "sneaking works awesome!" and this:

Combat is still entertaining, if somewhat shallow. The player is given two attacks, a normal swing, and a power-swing, which you charge up before hopefully delivering a solid shot to your opponent that will inflict extra damage, or stun them if they were blocking. Fighting against equally well armed enemies generally felt good, as I had to judge my attacks and wait for openings before launching into the offensive. Against “lesser” opponents, like Goblins, things had an unfortunate tendency to degenerate into a whirling, button-mashing hack-fest.

This brings me to the stealth system and the enemy detection AI. A special stealth icon has been introduced for Oblivion that turns different shades, darker or lighter as you go from undetected to seen. It’s nice, and it allows for some sneaking, but, unfortunately for those people out there who might want to play the part of a stealthy assassin in this game, detection seemed to be an all-or-nothing gambit. Less pleasantly, some of the enemies seem to be rather deaf, as I managed to get into a hand-to-hand battle with two goblins, with a goblin mage no more than 15 feet away, and the goblin mage never even noticed anything out of the ordinary.

 

[Claw]

Actually, at least one of the so-called negative previews was objectively positive, but dared to criticise Oblivion, which makes it negative from the retarded fanboy perspective.

 

[Thrawn05]

Actually, at least one of the so-called negative previews was objectively positive, but dared to criticise Oblivion, which makes it negative from the retarded fanboy perspective.

Just like in politics!

 

[Andyman Messiah]

@ Locue:

Of course, they would.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/inde ... 245372&hl=

*snip*

This is one reason why I love the Internet. It's also one reason why I simply adore the Bethesda fanbase.

"OMG! I'm gonna grope the nasty previewer with my pasty cheetos fingers for badmouthing Oblivion!"

 

[zenslinger]

Bethesda's fanbase, stupid/ignorant/prepubescent or not, holds to Oblivion as a great game because they enjoyed Morrowind, and they want more, or more better.

My problem is that I felt so-so about Morrowind.

 

[Seven]

Well,t hat is good at least. I am not either. I am not sure if it is a language issue or the point you are trying to make.

please explain my incoherence.

Please xplain what you said coherently. See? We are at an impasse. However, I am a wellknown supergenius and therefore you are wrong. The other supergenii on this board are laughing at you, too.

Ok first I said Vault Dweller was not objective when he selects the previews for the rpgcodex news because it was only negative previews and there are a great majority of positive previews.

Then you told me that a true "Review" criticized the games.

and I answered (or maybe noticed) that I didn't not any reviews were out.

My first post was a "point" (you can find it right or wrong)

My answer to you was just a remark with no link to my first post.

Hey dingus, I'll spell it out for you--He's making fun of you, stop responding, it'll only make things worse.

 

[bryce777]

Well,t hat is good at least. I am not either. I am not sure if it is a language issue or the point you are trying to make.

please explain my incoherence.

Please xplain what you said coherently. See? We are at an impasse. However, I am a wellknown supergenius and therefore you are wrong. The other supergenii on this board are laughing at you, too.

Ok first I said Vault Dweller was not objective when he selects the previews for the rpgcodex news because it was only negative previews and there are a great majority of positive previews.

Then you told me that a true "Review" criticized the games.

and I answered (or maybe noticed) that I didn't not any reviews were out.

My first post was a "point" (you can find it right or wrong)

My answer to you was just a remark with no link to my first post.

Hey dingus, I'll spell it out for you--He's making fun of you, stop responding, it'll only make things worse.

Thanks for using the capital H on he like that - your check is in the mail!

 

[Rendelius]

To my best knowledge, the reviewer made a factual error when he said that horses cannot jump in Oblivion.

About a balanced view: I hav read most of the previews out there, and then the additions to the previews. The blog preview about the crappy graphics was commented on by some other previewers that stated that they do not share the point of view presented in the blog. The same goes about loading times. The only common critizisms you can find in all previews (if they are mentioned) are the unimpressive 3rd person view and the pop ins (but then again, these are called "minor" in most instances). Generally, there seems to be consensus that visually, the Xbox is a tad ahead of the PC with the given configurations.

All but one preview stated that the game is immensly enjoyable (but take this with a grain of salt, noone has been in there for more than 4 hours - but again, this is nearly half the time you need to finish most of the new games out there *g*). All but one previews said that the level of immersion seems to be very impressive.

Now, Bethesda is know for taking something far but lacking the final polish. Nevertheless, they - at least in my poinion, always delivered something special (with the sole exception of Battlespire). Ultimately, we will have to wait and find out for ourselves, but so far, my anticipation is still high and I am looking forward to this game.

 

[dongle]

The blog preview about the crappy graphics was commented on by some other previewers that stated that they do not share the point of view presented in the blog. The same goes about loading times.

I find it odd that you'd imply no other previewer aside from Chris K. complained about annoying load time, when the preview VD linked to start this thread has this to say:

. . . when running across the game’s gargantuan fields, objects and areas are constantly being loaded, which causes an unpleasant stutter in gameplay. Morrowind was known to have loading issues of this sort but they seem to be even more of hassle in Oblivion than in the previous game, mostly due to the fact that while on horseback loading sections are encountered like every eight seconds.

Unpleasant and worse than Morrowind. Did you forget to read that preview?

 

[Rendelius]

The blog preview about the crappy graphics was commented on by some other previewers that stated that they do not share the point of view presented in the blog. The same goes about loading times.

I find it odd that you'd imply no other previewer aside from Chris K. complained about annoying load time, when the preview VD linked to start this thread has this to say:

. . . when running across the game’s gargantuan fields, objects and areas are constantly being loaded, which causes an unpleasant stutter in gameplay. Morrowind was known to have loading issues of this sort but they seem to be even more of hassle in Oblivion than in the previous game, mostly due to the fact that while on horseback loading sections are encountered like every eight seconds.

Unpleasant and worse than Morrowind. Did you forget to read that preview?

Forgot that, sorry - but then again, there are quite some other previews mentioning the load times and calling them "unbostrusive" and "not annoying".

I remember Morrowind had those cell loads as well, on my system they made the game pause for a second or so, but I have to say I didn't care much about it. This is the price you have to pay for a seamless exterior in 3D, I suppose.

 

[dongle]

Depends. On my box at the time, with a fresh off the boat character, it could be described as "unobtrusive". Strap on the Boots of Blinding Speed, and it was more loading screen than there was game. That's likely the difference here, they -had- to make horses faster than walking, otherwise no point at all to adding them. And that's where the load times get mentioned, while on horseback. Even so, I get the impression they scaled back horseback speed until it's -almost- no advantage at all over walking. Prolly 'cuz of this very issue.

And, as someone pointed out to me earlier, just because Morrowind sucked at something, and we all expect Oblivion to suck the same way, does -not- mean a fair impartial reviewer should gloss it over.

 

[Section8]

Forgot that, sorry - but then again, there are quite some other previews mentioning the load times and calling them "unbostrusive" and "not annoying".

Both of which are completely subjective terms.

The only time I even noticed loading screens was when I was trying to get from one side of the city to the other for a thieves' guild quest. In doing so, I hit roughly six load screens (which lasted for between 15 and 30 seconds each)

I like Gamer Andy's take on it. 6 pauses, each 15-30 seconds long, just when crossing a city. That hardly sounds "unobtrusive" or "not annoying" to me.

 

[Stupid Man]

Forgot that, sorry - but then again, there are quite some other previews mentioning the load times and calling them "unbostrusive" and "not annoying".

A prime example of the "game journalism VS loading time " syndrome.

 

[Rendelius]

Forgot that, sorry - but then again, there are quite some other previews mentioning the load times and calling them "unbostrusive" and "not annoying".

Both of which are completely subjective terms.

The only time I even noticed loading screens was when I was trying to get from one side of the city to the other for a thieves' guild quest. In doing so, I hit roughly six load screens (which lasted for between 15 and 30 seconds each)

I like Gamer Andy's take on it. 6 pauses, each 15-30 seconds long, just when crossing a city. That hardly sounds "unobtrusive" or "not annoying" to me.

You might be interested in http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=65608b6b0d85173c1bd4c545dd2eb0fd&showtopic=249613 this thread at the official forums.

 

[Rendelius]

Forgot that, sorry - but then again, there are quite some other previews mentioning the load times and calling them "unbostrusive" and "not annoying".

A prime example of the "game journalism VS loading time " syndrome.

From a demo of the game in Sydney, happened yesterday:

"There were some frame rate issues, no stutttering but the framerate did drop considerably at times, perhaps to 25-30FPS (A real GUESS there btw) at the worst of times. On the up side, this had all the graphics on HIGH so it is certainly a worst case scenario. Overall, visually it was just AMAZING. Did I say that already?

Load Times were REALLY Fast. Interior To Exterior (And visa versa) were all less than 5 seconds (same for load times). The Exterior loading was almost entirely unnoticable. Sometimes it'd be done before you could read the little box that said "Loading".

Voice Acting and Lip Syncing were really really tight. I'd seen elsewhere that the syncing was out of time, this wasn't the case in this demo."

 

[Stupid Man]

Load Times were REALLY Fast. Interior To Exterior (And visa versa) were all less than 5 seconds (same for load times). The Exterior loading was almost entirely unnoticable. Sometimes it'd be done before you could read the little box that said "Loading".

And it's why it's clearly a case of "game journalism VS loading time" syndrome all-over again:
"Journalist" A: 5 seconds top!
"Journalist" B: No! 10-15 seconds !
"Journalist" A: It's really fast !
"Journalist" B: No. It's average!
"Journalist" C: Bullshit! It's fucking long.