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I was rading the FR and Dragonlance novels as they became available as a teen. I always felt they were better than the flak they receive. I also thought they were written to become pnp modules, which is limiting for the writer….. so to me they were pretty solid considering the inherent handcuffs.
They were a great gateway drug to fantasy for teenagers (speaking from experience). Now a days, rereading them, you can see their shortcomings, but the DL ones, at least, can still be fun. Haven't read a FR novel in 20 years.
Fwiw, my wife, a voracious reader, enjoyed, but didn't love the DL books when she read them as an adult with no nostalgia rose colored glasses.
 

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I reread the first DL trilogy 10-15 years ago, and I was suprised that I still liked them (unlike for example Feist's Magician).
 

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From what I recall, the 'legends' trilogy, focused on Raistlin and Caramon was better. and the 4th book of the original trilogy :D Dragons of Summer Flame was one I remember very fondly.
 

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I was rading the FR and Dragonlance novels as they became available as a teen. I always felt they were better than the flak they receive. I also thought they were written to become pnp modules, which is limiting for the writer….. so to me they were pretty solid considering the inherent handcuffs.
They were a great gateway drug to fantasy for teenagers (speaking from experience). Now a days, rereading them, you can see their shortcomings, but the DL ones, at least, can still be fun. Haven't read a FR novel in 20 years.
Fwiw, my wife, a voracious reader, enjoyed, but didn't love the DL books when she read them as an adult with no nostalgia rose colored glasses.
The Dragonlance Chronicles trilogy by Weis & Hickman was well-written and sold beyond TSR's wildest dreams in 1984-1985, prompting them to belatedly expand with novels in the new campaign settings. Weis & Hickman wrote the sequel Dragonlance Legends trilogy (1986) and contributed a novella to each of the Dragonlance Tales anthologies (all three published in 1987) but then parted ways with TSR. As the number of D&D/AD&D novels published by TSR increased with each passing year, the general quality tended to decline. Jeff Grubb's Azure Bonds from 1988 is about as good as any of the novels not written by Weis & Hickman; Troy Denning also deserves mention for the first Dark Sun novel (The Verdant Passage in 1991) and the only Planescape novel (Pages of Pain in 1996), the first third of which is astounding.
 

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Jeff Grubb's Azure Bonds from 1988 is about as good as any of the novels not written by Weis & Hickman; Troy Denning also deserves mention for the first Dark Sun novel (The Verdant Passage in 1991) and the only Planescape novel (Pages of Pain in 1996), the first third of which is astounding.

Denning is good shit. So is James Lowder. "Prince of Lies" and "Crucible: the Trial of Cyric the Mad", the sequels to (pretty mediocre) Avatars trilogy, are terrific.
 

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For anyone wanting a small step up from the TSR novels, i would suggest Glen Cook’s ‘The Black Company’ novels. The 1st 3 are terrific.
Some of the best fantasy novels I've read. The books of the south also ended up growing on me (but the first read was rough as hell).
 

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For anyone wanting a small step up from the TSR novels, i would suggest Glen Cook’s ‘The Black Company’ novels. The 1st 3 are terrific.
Username checks out. Those books are great and I'd say the first four he wrote were terrific.
 

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Bungie's video game Myth was loosely based on The Black Company novels; that and to have combat reminiscent of the film Braveheart.
 

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For anyone wanting a small step up from the TSR novels, i would suggest Glen Cook’s ‘The Black Company’ novels. The 1st 3 are terrific.
The series ended well too, though it went through a few stumbles in the south to get there imo.
 

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For anyone wanting a small step up from the TSR novels, i would suggest Glen Cook’s ‘The Black Company’ novels. The 1st 3 are terrific.
The series ended well too, though it went through a few stumbles in the south to get there imo.
Agreed. When it flipped to Murgen’s perspective it took some adjustment/getting used to.
 

Lt Broccoli

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I'm on a (very) long-term project to read nearly all of the D&D novels by publishing date, in paperback, published since 1984.

Currently up to April, 1992 (R. A. Salvatore's Cleric Canticle series - 'In Sylvan Shadows').

Overall impression is very positive and you get to know the writing style of certain authors.

I'm reaching the era when a swag of campaign settings were concurrently published including: Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Spelljammer, Ravenloft and Dark Sun. (Even Mystara's 'The Tainted Sword' with its kick arse cover coming up with its first book in Oct-92). So a lot of variety.
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I'm on a (very) long-term project to read nearly all of the D&D novels by publishing date, in paperback, published since 1984.

Currently up to April, 1992 (R. A. Salvatore's Cleric Canticle series - 'In Sylvan Shadows').
I still think this is the oddest expression of masochism ever seen on the Codex. :M
 

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I'm on a (very) long-term project to read nearly all of the D&D novels by publishing date, in paperback, published since 1984.

Currently up to April, 1992 (R. A. Salvatore's Cleric Canticle series - 'In Sylvan Shadows').

Overall impression is very positive and you get to know the writing style of certain authors.

I'm reaching the era when a swag of campaign settings were concurrently published including: Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Spelljammer, Ravenloft and Dark Sun. (Even Mystara's 'The Tainted Sword' with its kick arse cover coming up with its first book in Oct-92). So a lot of variety.
1560763213.jpg

Do you keep a masterlist? I am interested in what the entirety of it looks like.
 

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I'm on a (very) long-term project to read nearly all of the D&D novels by publishing date, in paperback, published since 1984.

Currently up to April, 1992 (R. A. Salvatore's Cleric Canticle series - 'In Sylvan Shadows').
I still think this is the oddest expression of masochism ever seen on the Codex. :M

I've been doing the same, but mostly limited to FR alone and in electronic format. Got bogged down by the time it got to truly irrelevant "series" like "cities", "fighters" and shit like that.
 

Lt Broccoli

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I'm on a (very) long-term project to read nearly all of the D&D novels by publishing date, in paperback, published since 1984.

Currently up to April, 1992 (R. A. Salvatore's Cleric Canticle series - 'In Sylvan Shadows').

Overall impression is very positive and you get to know the writing style of certain authors.

I'm reaching the era when a swag of campaign settings were concurrently published including: Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Spelljammer, Ravenloft and Dark Sun. (Even Mystara's 'The Tainted Sword' with its kick arse cover coming up with its first book in Oct-92). So a lot of variety.
1560763213.jpg

Do you keep a masterlist? I am interested in what the entirety of it looks like.
I do indeed. I pulled most of the data off Wikipedia and then filtered out some novels ('Young Adult'/Endless Quest, Compilations)

Below is an extract until the end of 1992. The full database is 576 novels. Other data in the master file includes the ISBN, short story titles/authors belonging to anthologies, where I ordered the book, purchase price, delivery status and comments on the order.

As I read the novels I take notes on all key characters major actions/attributes and which novels they appear in.

YearCampaign SettingTitleAuthorSeries
Feb-78​
GreyhawkQuag KeepAndre NortonQuag Keep
Apr-84​
DragonlanceDragons of Autumn TwilightMargaret Weis & Tracy HickmanThe Chronicles Trilogy
Apr-85​
DragonlanceDragons of Winter NightMargaret Weis & Tracy HickmanThe Chronicles Trilogy
Sep-85​
DragonlanceDragons of Spring DawningMargaret Weis & Tracy HickmanThe Chronicles Trilogy
Oct-85​
GreyhawkSaga of Old CityGary GygaxGord the Rogue
Feb-86​
DragonlanceTime of the TwinsMargaret Weis & Tracy HickmanLegends Trilogy
Feb-86​
GreyhawkArtifact of EvilGary GygaxGord the Rogue
May-86​
DragonlanceWar of the TwinsMargaret Weis & Tracy HickmanLegends Trilogy
Aug-86​
DragonlanceTest of the TwinsMargaret Weis & Tracy HickmanLegends Trilogy
Mar-87​
DragonlanceThe Magic of KrynnMargaret Weis & Tracy Hickman editorsDragonlance: Tales I
Mar-87​
GreyhawkMaster WolfRose EstesGreyhawk Adventures
May-87​
Forgotten RealmsDarkwalker on MoonshaeDouglas NilesThe Moonshae Trilogy
Jun-87​
GreyhawkSea of DeathGary GygaxGord the Rogue
Jul-87​
DragonlanceKender, Gully Dwarves, and GnomesMargaret Weis & Tracy Hickman editorsDragonlance: Tales I
Aug-87​
GreyhawkThe Price of PowerRose EstesGreyhawk Adventures
Sep-87​
GreyhawkNight ArrantGary GygaxGord the Rogue
Oct-87​
DragonlanceLove and WarMargaret Weis & Tracy Hickman editorsDragonlance: Tales I
Nov-87​
GreyhawkCity of HawksGary GygaxGord the Rogue
Jan-88​
Forgotten RealmsThe Crystal ShardR. A. SalvatoreThe Icewind Dale Trilogy
Feb-88​
GreyhawkThe Demon HandRose EstesGreyhawk Adventures
Mar-88​
GreyhawkCome Endless DarknessGary GygaxGord the Rogue
Mar-88​
DragonlanceThe Legend of HumaRichard A. KnaakDragonlance: Heroes I
Apr-88​
Forgotten RealmsBlack WizardsDouglas NilesThe Moonshae Trilogy
Jun-88​
GreyhawkThe Name of the GameRose EstesGreyhawk Adventures
Jul-88​
Forgotten RealmsSpellfireEd GreenwoodShandrill's Saga
Aug-88​
DragonlanceStormbladeNancy Varian BerberickDragonlance: Heroes I
Oct-88​
Forgotten RealmsAzure BondsKate Novak & Jeff GrubbThe Finder's Stone Trilogy
Nov-88​
GreyhawkDance of DemonsGary GygaxGord the Rogue
Dec-88​
DragonlanceWeasel's LuckMichael WilliamsDragonlance: Heroes I
Jan-89​
Forgotten RealmsStreams of SilverR. A. SalvatoreThe Icewind Dale Trilogy
Feb-89​
Forgotten RealmsDarkwellDouglas NilesThe Moonshae Trilogy
Apr-89​
DragonlanceDarkness and LightPaul B. Thompson & Tonya R. CarterDragonlance: Preludes
Apr-89​
Forgotten RealmsShadowdaleScott CiencinThe Avatar Series
Jun-89​
Forgotten RealmsTantrasScott CiencinThe Avatar Series
Aug-89​
Forgotten RealmsWaterdeepTroy DenningThe Avatar Series
Aug-89​
DragonlanceKendermoreMary KirchoffDragonlance: Preludes
Aug-89​
GreyhawkThe Eyes Have ItRose EstesGreyhawk Adventures
Nov-89​
Forgotten RealmsPool of RadianceJames M. Ward & Jane Cooper HongThe Pools
Dec-89​
DragonlanceBrothers MajereKevin SteinDragonlance: Preludes
Jan-90​
Forgotten RealmsThe Halfling's GemR. A. SalvatoreThe Icewind Dale Trilogy
Jan-90​
DragonlanceRiverwind the PlainsmanPaul B. Thompson & Tonya R. CarterDragonlance: Preludes II
Feb-90​
Forgotten RealmsThe Wyvern's SpurKate Novak & Jeff GrubbThe Finder's Stone Trilogy
Mar-90​
Forgotten RealmsIronhelmDouglas NilesMaztica Trilogy
Apr-90​
Forgotten RealmsHorselordsDavid CookThe Empires Trilogy
Apr-90​
DragonlanceKaz the MinotaurRichard A. KnaakDragonlance: Heroes II
May-90​
DragonlanceFlint the KingMary Kirchoff & Douglas NilesDragonlance: Preludes II
Jul-90​
Forgotten RealmsDragonwallTroy DenningThe Empires Trilogy
Jul-90​
DragonlanceThe Gates of ThorbardinDan ParkinsonDragonlance: Heroes II
Aug-90​
Forgotten RealmsHomelandR. A. SalvatoreThe Dark Elf Trilogy
Aug-90​
Forgotten RealmsViperhandDouglas NilesMaztica Trilogy
Nov-90​
DragonlanceTanis, the Shadow YearsBarbara Siegel & Scott SiegelDragonlance: Preludes II
Dec-90​
Forgotten RealmsExileR. A. SalvatoreThe Dark Elf Trilogy
Dec-90​
DragonlanceGalen BeknightedMichael WilliamsDragonlance: Heroes II
Jan-91​
Forgotten RealmsCrusadeJames LowderThe Empires Trilogy
Feb-91​
DragonlanceFirstbornPaul B. Thompson & Tonya C. CookThe Elven Nations Trilogy
Mar-91​
Forgotten RealmsSong of the SaurialsKate Novak & Jeff GrubbThe Finder's Stone Trilogy
Apr-91​
Forgotten RealmsFeathered DragonDouglas NilesMaztica Trilogy
Apr-91​
DragonlanceKindred SpiritsMark Anthony & Ellen PorathThe Meetings Sextet
May-91​
Forgotten RealmsSojournR. A. SalvatoreThe Dark Elf Trilogy
Jul-91​
SpelljammerBeyond the MoonsDavid CookThe Cloakmaster Cycle
Jul-91​
Forgotten RealmsThe Parched SeaTroy DenningThe Harpers
Aug-91​
DragonlanceThe Kinslayer WarsDouglas NilesThe Elven Nations Trilogy
Sep-91​
DragonlanceWanderlustMary Kirchoff & Steve WinterThe Meetings Sextet
Sep-91​
RavenloftVampire of the MistsChristie Golden
Sep-91​
SpelljammerInto the VoidNigel FindleyThe Cloakmaster Cycle
Oct-91​
Dark SunThe Verdant PassageTroy DenningThe Prism Pentad
Oct-91​
Forgotten RealmsCanticleR. A. SalvatoreThe Cleric Quintet
Oct-91​
Forgotten RealmsElfshadowElaine CunninghamThe Harpers & Songs & Swords[nb 18]
Nov-91​
DragonlanceThe QualinestiPaul B. Thompson & Tonya R. CarterThe Elven Nations Trilogy
Dec-91​
RavenloftKnight of the Black RoseJames Lowder
Dec-91​
Forgotten RealmsRed MagicJean RabeThe Harpers
Jan-92​
DragonlanceDark HeartTina DaniellThe Meetings Sextet
Feb-92​
Forgotten RealmsPools of DarknessJames M. Ward & Anne K. BrownThe Pools
Mar-92​
Forgotten RealmsProphet of MoonshaeDouglas NilesThe Druidhome Trilogy
Apr-92​
Dark SunThe Crimson LegionTroy DenningThe Prism Pentad
Apr-92​
DragonlanceThe Reign of IstarMargaret Weis & Tracy Hickman editorsDragonlance: Tales II
Apr-92​
Forgotten RealmsIn Sylvan ShadowsR. A. SalvatoreThe Cleric Quintet
May-92​
DragonlanceThe Oath and the MeasureMichael WilliamsThe Meetings Sextet
May-92​
SpelljammerThe Maelstrom's EyeRoger E. MooreThe Cloakmaster Cycle
Jun-92​
Forgotten RealmsThe Night ParadeScott CiencinThe Harpers
Jul-92​
RavenloftDance of the DeadChristie Golden
Jul-92​
DragonlanceThe CataclysmMargaret Weis & Tracy Hickman editorsDragonlance: Tales II
Aug-92​
Forgotten RealmsNight MasksR. A. SalvatoreThe Cleric Quintet
Sep-92​
DragonlanceSteel and StoneEllen PorathThe Meetings Sextet
Sep-92​
Forgotten RealmsThe Coral KingdomDouglas NilesThe Druidhome Trilogy
Sep-92​
Forgotten RealmsThe LegacyR. A. SalvatoreLegacy of the Drow
Oct-92​
MystaraThe Tainted SwordD.J. HeinrichThe Penhaligon Trilogy
Oct-92​
Dark SunThe Amber EnchantressTroy DenningThe Prism Pentad
Nov-92​
DragonlanceThe War of the LanceMargaret Weis & Tracy Hickman editorsDragonlance: Tales II
Nov-92​
SpelljammerThe Radiant DragonElaine CunninghamThe Cloakmaster Cycle
Nov-92​
Forgotten RealmsThe Ring of WinterJames LowderThe Harpers
Dec-92​
RavenloftHeart of MidnightJ. Robert King
 

Lt Broccoli

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I'm on a (very) long-term project to read nearly all of the D&D novels by publishing date, in paperback, published since 1984.

Currently up to April, 1992 (R. A. Salvatore's Cleric Canticle series - 'In Sylvan Shadows').
I still think this is the oddest expression of masochism ever seen on the Codex. :M

I've been doing the same, but mostly limited to FR alone and in electronic format. Got bogged down by the time it got to truly irrelevant "series" like "cities", "fighters" and shit like that.
My initial project was to limit my collection to just Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Ravenloft and Planescape, but as the books were delivered and the gaps on the master list became apparent, I worked out that it was feasible to own and read the entire paperback collection so I expanded to all campaign settings. I read some Dragonlance and Mystara before so it didn't take too much convincing myself...

I considered reading them in electronic format, but as I had around 80 paperbacks from my youth it was an easy decision to expand the paperback collection. There is something very tactile of holding the book and seeing the three-dimensional object than an electronic version. Hell, the stacked books within the bookshelf even smell awesome. You get a surge of pride seeing them all together. That all said there are several novels only released in electronic format like Erik Scott de Bie's 'Shadowbane' or Bruce R. Cordell's 'Sword of the Gods: Spinner of Lies'.

I'd like to expand further to D&D modules/adventures, but I literally don't have enough of a lifetime to read the lot and still keep reading other genre/series.
 

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