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Hearts of Iron 4 - The Ultimate WWII Strategy Game

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by GarfunkeL, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. XenomorphII Prophet

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    You don't as far as I know. The empty map is just work in progress that hasn't been filled in yet.
     
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  2. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik

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    Damn, hoped that I could colonize Cuba with one of the two small Chinese states.
     
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  3. AwesomeButton Personally falsified the US election results Patron

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    I've been going through needless trouble fighting in the Spanish Civil War. A much better way to accumulate Army XP in the early game as the Soviets is to just DoW Poland as soon as possible. It also prevents Germany from taking over half of it and pushing the border needlessly east of Berlin.

    After assisting the working people of Poland in throwing off the shackles of the oppresive reactionary regime there, a new and fatefully important task was arising before the Red Army. That was the liberation of the oppressed masses of Germany, suffering under the fascist yoke.

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    I was still under -30% to division organization, coming from the Great Purge modifier, but I tried to counter it as much as I could with the decryption bonus and with waiting for Germany to attack the Netherlands and Belgium, which it was obliging enough to do some weeks before my Casus Belli had expired. Just in time to backstab them. Regardless I was still expecting a much tougher time than what I got:

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    In the end I puppeted Germany for the achievement.
     
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  4. Raghar Arcane

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    Do you know what mistake Poland AI did?

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    When ComChi was in war with Tibet, it allowed Tibet into its faction.

    The problem is ComChi is in comintern, it didn't leave yet. In fact, leaving comintern would be suicide, because both Japan and Quin China are in comintern.
    So Poland is in position when even when it win war against Italy, it's tick tick.
     
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  5. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    and here i thought you meant the sudetes
     
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  6. Raghar Arcane

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    Well, if czechoslovakia is in allies, then Poland is dead because Poland robbed czechs of Ash region. On the other hand if czechoslovakia is in mezimoří, they have to suck it. Poland used political backstabbery to rob them of Ash region and got away with it.
     
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    Ash region?
     
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  8. Raghar Arcane

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    It's called that in czech language. That western most part of czech basin. That small part that Poland grabbed from Germany.
     
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  9. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Yea I know where it is, just had never heard it called Ash Region.
     
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  10. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik

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    Some Kaiserreich memes:
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    The New Order's 1.1 update 'Cutting Room Floor' is out now.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/jyjln6/tno_patch_v11_cutting_room_floor/
     
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    I made the mistake of playing Ostafrika in TNO on Hard mode.
    What a load of bollocks - South African Union gets endless supplies (after years of war, they still had thousands of excess guns, support, artillery) as well as some US volunteer units that can only be described as Space Marines.
    And I did play as South Africa once and you definitely don't have anything close to the amount of factories or resources required for that.
    I thought at first "maybe they get insane leases from tons of friends" - but after tagging them I could see that was not the case, it must be from scripting.
    Even after I decided to cheat myself endless supplies as well I was only winning since their manpower did eventually run out (about a few months before mine did :lol:).

    Meanwhile, all those decisions you get to mildly boost your war efforts are so expensive that you can only use them very rarely - and the black market hasn't worked for me once in several years. Fails every single time.
    Oh, and your allies (Südwest + Zentralafrika) just idle at home doing absolutely nothing with any of their divisions despite having all their manpower & supplies.

    Apparently, other countries with a Hard mode have a similarly insane experience.
    So... yeah, don't be an idiot like me and take Hard mode. It's not hard - it's actually impossible without cheating.

    At least they fixed their events, though.
    Now when you take some focus or event that says you receive factories/stability/etc. - that actually happens, instead of just doing absolutely nothing as it used to.
     
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  13. Raghar Arcane

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    I just had naval combat between US and Fashist UK. C'mon why damaging arguably somehow working naval combat by replacing it by DoTA like mechanic of Front Mid Back? Front when obliterated enemy front can get at mid, mid can shoot at enemy front and mid, and back can shoot at anyone. That's bad idea to simplify CARRIER combat this way.

    Add into the mix the idiocy that carrier airwing replenishes once per 24 hours, thus aircombat losses are just short term malus. And add into it the problem, that in contrast to early version when fighters actually fought against each other and bombers, and had massive losses, nowadays the combat is done just by percentages and well, if you don't care about percentage reduction, wouldn't it be easier to simply use bombers only?

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    It's kinda funny, streamer vs competent Italy.
     
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  15. Raghar Arcane

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    Situation is bit complicated.
    UK is fighting France and Japan.
    Italy is fighting Germany.
    France is fighting Germany, Yugoslavia, Greece and UK.
    Poland is fighting Germany, France, Greece and UK.
    India is trying to democratically leave UK.
    Romania kingdom is kicking Austria ass, (after failed Hungary attempt to create habsburg monarchy again under Hungarian leadership). Also it's on Poland and completely nonconquered czechoslovakia side and is murdering Germany.
    Yunan was trying to conquer French Indochina and joined UK faction.

    Also US be nice to Japan, I need to conquer evil Australia.

    Prognosis is:
    Italy would declare war on France. And Russia would say to Poland: Poland do you remember all these peple who used to live in Eastern Poland, all these oppressed Ukrainians. Ukrainians are living as part of unified Russia, and they are Russian relatives. They are pleading to Russian soviet to get back theirs land from Poland. Poland gib these lands back.

    Italy, you are in war with UK and Germany. Why are you trying to fight also France? Wouldn't that allow UK and Germany and Greece and Yugoslavia to oblitarate you? Yea, I know Japan is in war with: Germany, UK, Greece, Yugoslavia, Trinidad and Tobago, not yet conquered EVIL AUSTRALIA, India, British Malaysia, Jamaica (yea that was really brutal shock when Jamaica declared war on Japan, but Japan has recovered, it only need to conquer land between Jamaica and Jamaica), Egypt, Bhutan, Quatar (or how is it called when it's under UK occupation Trucial states?), NZ, Jordan (Yea that bitch is conquering Japanese occupied Saudi Arabia, they were far less assholes when they worked with Japan, and now Jordan needs to allow them become THE WORST OBNOXIOUS ARABIANS IN THE PENISSULA nearly on the INDEPENDENT KUWAIT level of Arabian assholes), and I'm pretty sure I missed 10 other countries. But Italy these are often quite far away country that got into war because of an invitation, France is your neighbor who would be pissed because Italy backstabbed it.
     
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  16. sser Arcane Cuck Developer

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    Damn this game is addicting. It's been 15ish years since I got into HOI and forgot how fun it is once you get into the groove. Steam shows me at 24hrs in past two weeks which is pretty high for me as I am busy lately. Also getting that Tetris-effect of going to sleep and then thinking out civ-mil factory problems.

    After a few games with Russia I tried my hand at USA. It was actually going alright given that I had no fucking clue what to do with the navies. It's 1943 and I have bombers all over the Axis powers, two land armies in North Africa, and another army bouncing around the islands of the Pacific with the Philippines as homebase. I thought it was going well, particularly strangling Japan by grinding their convoys to dust but right before I closed for the night their doomfleet finally appeared (not a clue where it was all these years) and wrecked my shit. Lost a few battleships and a carrier or two as well. I find managing the navies somewhat difficult because the UI gets really clustered very easily when it comes to who is in what zone. The air bases have a nice line to show you where they're going, whereas the navy it's just one big blotch. Oh well, I'm building an enormous fleet of B17s and B29s to just wreck everything and have scientists looking into splitting the atom.

    Oh, and having the US economy go "online" is super satisfying. Once you break into total mobilization, ease up on the exports, and start conscripting, the amount of sheer industry is just insane. I'm building everything out the ass, sending lend lease to China, UK, Russia, and Commie Spain, and still have more than enough left over to supply my own army.
     
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  17. Raghar Arcane

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    The result of Italy Greece war. Greece has Italy, and Italy's capital is in Egypt.
     
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  18. Baptismbyfire Scholar

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    How is the AI now? Is it worth playing?
     
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  19. Raghar Arcane

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    They didn't hire me as developer, thus they don't even know the biggest problems. Or they are happy with these biggest problems, because they work mostly fine in historic mode.

    WWII games are kinda boring, because they have rather simplistic starting conditions. Few large blocks, and Africa countries are subjugated.

    When playing in non historic mode, this game kinda needs director. To prevent easy mode when commie italy allies with Russia. UK needs to go nazi to allow Germany to have a chance.
     
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  20. shywn Learned

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    The "big picture" part of the AI has not seen much if any improvement.

    The AI is fairly competent at land warfare since 1.5, or at least it knows to defend its ports well. In fact, too well. That update made the Allies AI incompetent, unable to achieve anything resembling the Normandy landings. I do not know if they have fixed that by now. I heard they did something in 1.9 about that. Maybe someone who's had experience with 1.9 or 1.10 can tell me.

    Russia will still have its field marshal forever attacking into the German lines and burning all of their equipment in those attacks. The 50 military factories they allocate to artillery alone is not enough to offset those losses.

    Sea warfare... The AI will pour its research into submarines and never into any surface ship. Likes to assign its dockyards banging out convoy escort fleets. Not much else I can say about it. It has strike forces and forces on naval invasion duty but how to lure them out for a nice decisive battle is still a mystery to me.


    I'm quite unhappy about the direction the game has been heading, where they took the nonsensical congress road-block thing they added to the United States and decided that every country needs something similar, every country must now have a set of (initially invisible!) decisions that may be unlocked from the focus tree and may be required to unlock further focusses and of course these decisions come with non-trivial political power costs and with 30-day timers attached, and they're the only way to untangle the debuff spirits your country starts with.

    (Oh, and now every possible equipment designer must be locked behind a focus that is halfway down the tree too. Half of the political figures, too. So much fun.)

    I might not hate it so much if those decisions were NOT artificially hidden like that. I might not hate it so much if it stated clearly why must I crush the communists and what benefits might I get from that. But, well, right now it seems that I am expected to play the game blind.
     
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  21. Malakal Arcane

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    There is a mod for that and it makes it p good but that basically means minors are very limited in playability then.
     
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    And you can do the test of simply deleting all of South America from the map and see how long it takes for players to notice, if they notice at all.
     
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  23. Raghar Arcane

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    Well, in HoI4 Mexico has more resources and military than Brazil. Dunno if that's historically accurate.
     
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  24. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    On a certain level, this makes sense. There is a fundamental problem with naval warfare, which is that outside of submarines, convoys, and destroyers, you basically have to win every naval battle or you just flush at minimum a year down the drain every defeat. So you can at least slightly mitigate this by making the AI focus just on the side where attrition is a thing. But I'd say even besides the AI, the general problem with naval warfare is that it's fundamentally busted by being forced to try and follow even remotely historical production, and every attempt at naval battle system Pdox has made has been purely a numbers check so it ends up in a pretty unsatisfying state no matter what until a way in which there could be even a slight element of planning that isn't all fleet production is figured out.
     
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  25. Stavrophore Prophet

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    The problem is out of supply status that is placed just after you land on a tile that is not a port. You can't make artificial port, something like theyve did in normandy. This completely removes any need for placing defence along the coast. Only place defenders in fortified ports and you won -any units that landed will suffer attrition very fast. Even if you cut off the port with naval superiority, they usually have enough supplies from ground node/VP. Paradox really need to rethink the supply system.
     
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