Interview How CD Projekt RED treats gamers as people

[Cowboy Moment]

RPGness aside, BG2 is a much better game than Diablo: Auction House Edition.

 

[Black]

Black's the guy who said that Diablo 3 voice acting was comparable to VtMB, his whole perspective is fucked.

You got that wrong, but hey, it's not your first nor last time.

 

[visions]

Ok Bros, it is time for me to make a shocking revelation. You see, Polish RPG scene has very little to do with cRPGs - in fact until not so long ago cRPGs were seen as reterded offshoots of the 'proper' P&P RPG systems. Why this is important?

Bacause when Polish devs talk about RPGs, their complexity and paving new paths they don't think of 'worthless and boring' games of yesteryears such as Ultima, Wizardry, Eye of Beholder, Dark Sun, Arcanum and stuff like that. They think more about all the fun adventures they had with Warhammer, Earthdawn, Vampire, AD&D... with a twist. RPG scene here has utmost contempt for rulesets, tables, digits, dice and all that nonsense - instead they focus on storytelling. Yep, in their eyes cRPGs should not about 'tactical combat' (there are wargames for that) nor about boring character progression (every shooter has that) - all RPGs are means of telling an interactive story.

I've kept my distance from the rpg scene here (Estonia) but from the occasional browsing of relevant local forums, I've gotten a similar impression. Shit like actual, real-life LARPING seems to be held in much higher regard than crpgs for instance (they also seem to think it's closer and on our biggest roleplaying forum when I've occasionally browsed it, I've seen Might & Magic called "not an rpg" whereas Dragon Age was being praised for how it, in contrast to most crpgs, manages to resemble their p&p experiences.

P&P and larp seem to go more hand in hand there than crpgs and p&p do, leaving the expression that their conception of roleplaying is as something more akin to what you do in drama class.

 

[l3loodAngel]

Just ignore him. The whole "Baldur's Gate = popamole" thing is among the Codex's most annoying memes.

Yeah, but I am not saying that BG2 is the pinnacle of RPGs, but WTF BG2 has in common with Diablo?

Both are pretty shitty rpgs

BG2 is good for what it is. Sure it has it flaws but comparing it to a retarded button masher is ridiculous.

 

[OSK]

This is all you need to know about Poland:


No, this video isn't 30 years old.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

all gamers are people, but the specific demographic that your company is targeting are more people than others

 

[Volourn]

. And yes, as far as storytelling is concerned they are doing much more complex RPGs than anyone since Planescape."

No. fuck no. Hell fuck no.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

________R00fles

 

[made]

Bacause when Polish devs talk about RPGs, their complexity and paving new paths they don't think of 'worthless and boring' games of yesteryears such as Ultima [...]

That mindset isn't exactly unique to Poland. Or Eastern Europe. Or anywhere else.

You will have noticed that Bioware are hugely successful with their interpretation of "RPG" in the west. And Ultima is still considered a pioneer and seminal work of the genre despite being extremely light on complex "RPG" mechanics.

Only Codex aspies would reduce the genre to a particular narrow subset.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

You will have noticed that Infinity Ward are hugely successful with their interpretation of "FPS" in the west.

dats appeal to the people fallacy, you might as well say skrillex interpreted dubstep very successfully so those dubstep people who are probably resignedly mumbling 'electro-house' should stop being so protective of genre labels hooo yeah I am a heavy metal fan green day is awesome

also the ultima series has strengths and features rarely found in other genres despite having only 3 stats like the open world, freedom of action, interactivity, spellcasting and item management systems, bisexual pirate bathhouses etc etc and those are the strengths that should be built on instead of being referred to as chaucerriffic

nobody thinks amazing combat and character building when they think of ultima, surely you realise their fondness comes from the other traits which easily cemented the game's genre-specific worth for them

you need to come at this from another angle

 

[BelisariuS.F]

No, this video isn't 30 years old.

Heh, actually, this video is a parody of a song that was popular 30 years ago, and it refers to the '80s.
If you don't know the context - don't comment.

 

[Gerrard]

Ok Bros, it is time for me to make a shocking revelation. You see, Polish RPG scene has very little to do with cRPGs - in fact until not so long ago cRPGs were seen as reterded offshoots of the 'proper' P&P RPG systems. Why this is important?

Bacause when Polish devs talk about RPGs, their complexity and paving new paths they don't think of 'worthless and boring' games of yesteryears such as Ultima, Wizardry, Eye of Beholder, Dark Sun, Arcanum and stuff like that. They think more about all the fun adventures they had with Warhammer, Earthdawn, Vampire, AD&D... with a twist. RPG scene here has utmost contempt for rulesets, tables, digits, dice and all that nonsense - instead they focus on storytelling. Yep, in their eyes cRPGs should not about 'tactical combat' (there are wargames for that) nor about boring character progression (every shooter has that) - all RPGs are means of telling an interactive story.

Oh, the great "To roll or not to roll?" debates in the mail section of Magia i Miecz.

 

[made]

stop being so protective of genre labels

Pretty much. Either you like the content or not. Why would you care what superficial label someone puts on it unless you're 15 or Ishkur?

 

[logrus]

This is all you need to know about Poland:


No, this video isn't 30 years old.

May I point out that this song is a parody of another song from 1987 1983, which even 25 years ago was intended as a joke?

 

[Bahamut]

This is all you need to know about Poland:


No, this video isn't 30 years old.

May I point out that this song is a parody of another song from 1987 1983, which even 25 years ago was intended as a joke?

The problem is that, potatos (especialy those rural village people), take stupid mockeries and jokes as AWESOME SUMMER HITS, WUB WUB WUB, driving their cars in the evenings, maxing the vollume and pretend IM SO AWESOME

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

Their ego = as big as David Gaider's earlobes. lots of mutual brown-nosing with their target potatoland drm obsessed fanboys going on there.