Editorial Is DA 2 the End of BioWare as a Traditional RPG Creator?

[Forest Dweller]

Because picking your initial startup character and background was one of the key gimmick selling points for DA:O, perhaps, ya tard?

's why it was called Origins SUBTLEHINT

Still, saying that that alone removes the element of choice is retarded.

 

[Der_Unbekannte]

I’ll deal. I’ll be ok. I’ll still love them.

That's right bitch! Now give Bioware another blowjob and then back to the kitchen fucking bitch!

 

[Elzair]

Honestly, Bioware has always wanted to make JRPGs. They are finally getting their wish.

 

[Brother None]

Still, saying that that alone removes the element of choice is retarded.

Agreed. But BioWare drawing the design of their games together is a bad thing. The ME thing works for ME, so keep Shepard with ME. Copying your own works so your games become (even more) indistinguishably seems like a slippery slope to videogaming hell.

 

[Mortmal]

Ah no choices at all to focus on one strong story i guess, clearly not to dumb it down and make it shorter and easier to develop , no no that would not be EA ways,lets see..

Is Hawke a male or female character?
Hawke is marketed as a male because that is still the largest segment of people who purchase BioWare’s games, and those purchasers predominantly play male characters. It’s all about branding here, and appealing to the largest part of the target market


Ah! finally a virile game! one game who put women at their right place: most in bordellos except one or two bitches with big boobs to romance in the party. Dragon age 2 will be a game that smell sweat, blood , beer with hair under its armpits! A truly epic and manly 20 hours adventure. They better add flick porn this time , for market targeting purposes, and tasteful rape too.

 

[racofer]

Still

I see.

Exactly. All these fucking newfags are making me

Oh sorry, I'll go post some pictures of my cock in General Discussion to get my post count up then maybe you'll take the time to bother with my opinions and/or thoughts.

You do that honey

 

[Crooked Bee]

The only thing that *really* bugs me, personally, is not the absence of "C&C" (whatever that might mean) or "character customisation" (such as choosing a race, background, etc.), but rather that "more dynamic" combat system Bioware has in mind for DA2. I sorta hoped - after all the criticism DA's inane filler combat received - that they'd at least attempt to improve on encounter design in DA2. Well, it seems they've gone in the opposite direction: to make combat even more "popamole" seems to be their only goal...

 

[Joe Krow]

HYBRID SHOOTER CODEX

 

[Freelance Henchman]

But will DA2 have Renegade Interrupts? If yes, SOLD.

 

[racofer]

 

[Twinkle]

Seriously tho, EA is in no way to blame, BioWare turned more and more mainstream long before the purchase, they're just continuing the process now.

Yeah, ppl keep reciting "EA forced poor docs to dumb it down" at the same time forgetting about Jade Empire's existence which had nothing to do with EA and the fact that the first game BioWare produced was pure action.

 

[Volourn]

JE was action rpg. FFS Unlike AP, it even had dialogue skill that detrmine what dialogue options you had.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Whoa whoa whoa...

When was BioWare a traditional RPG creator?

The golden age of Bioware rpgs coincided with the existence of Black Isle Studios Interplay as the publisher and assistant designers of Bioware cRPGs.

The facts speak for themselves: If Obsidian and Bioware reuinted the world would return to that golden age.

Fucking newfags.

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Oh sorry.... I must have made some mistake when I looked at my Baldur's Gate game box and it said Black Isle... or when their logo flashes on the screen when I click start... or when Black Isle offers me registration!

Great, now compare credits of Baldur's Gate and Fallout/Fallout2.

 

[GarfunkeL]

For fucks sake, Black Isle was the name of the RPG-division of Interplay and it was officially formed after Fallout shipped.

 

[Gold]

I am actually upset that they are taking the multiple back stories out, the only part I really enjoyed about DA:O were the different prologues.

 

[bonch]

BioWare is just making the new shit, that's all.

 

[100lbsofdogmeat]

The only thing that *really* bugs me, personally, is not the absence of "C&C" (whatever that might mean) or "character customisation" (such as choosing a race, background, etc.), but rather that "more dynamic" combat system Bioware has in mind for DA2. I sorta hoped - after all the criticism DA's inane filler combat received - that they'd at least attempt to improve on encounter design in DA2. Well, it seems they've gone in the opposite direction: to make combat even more "popamole" seems to be their only goal...

i believe c&c means choice and consequence, very important in rpg's actually. and character customization is also a big part, for me at least... not so much what their face looks like (which is pretty lame), but who they are (race, gender, background stories, etc)... hence ROLE-playing. good crpg's, like table-top rpg's... which imo are always a billion times better, generally let you make your character instead of shitting one particular one out for you. these aren't FPS or fucking mario brothers. and consoles be damned!

i though DAO was pretty boring, never bothered finishing it and thankfully i didn't buy that POS. can't say i'm surprised with the direction bioware is headed with this one. i agree with brother none, for the most part, they've been heading down this path further and further for a long time. and i think they've really sucked since Neverwinter Nights...

just stick with the classics and you can't fail!

 

[denizsi]

I think if Bioware were smart enough to figure out a way to give a sense of meta-achievement in their action games, so people still look forward to the "next level" while playing, they would completely drop the RPG façade.

Oh wait, they have already done that. R00fles!

 

[Darth Roxor]

The only thing that *really* bugs me, personally, is not the absence of "C&C" (whatever that might mean) or "character customisation" (such as choosing a race, background, etc.), but rather that "more dynamic" combat system Bioware has in mind for DA2. I sorta hoped - after all the criticism DA's inane filler combat received - that they'd at least attempt to improve on encounter design in DA2. Well, it seems they've gone in the opposite direction: to make combat even more "popamole" seems to be their only goal...

i believe c&c means choice and consequence, very important in rpg's actually. and character customization is also a big part, for me at least... not so much what their face looks like (which is pretty lame), but who they are (race, gender, background stories, etc)... hence ROLE-playing. good crpg's, like table-top rpg's... which imo are always a billion times better, generally let you make your character instead of shitting one particular one out for you. these aren't FPS or fucking mario brothers. and consoles be damned!

i though DAO was pretty boring, never bothered finishing it and thankfully i didn't buy that POS. can't say i'm surprised with the direction bioware is headed with this one. i agree with brother none, for the most part, they've been heading down this path further and further for a long time. and i think they've really sucked since Neverwinter Nights...

just stick with the classics and you can't fail!

I looked at this post and thought 'whoa, Lyric Suite must have succumbed to dementia completely now'. Then I thought something is definitely wrong and noticed 'post count: 1' + different name.

YOU ARE NOT LYRIC SUITE

 

[Azrael the cat]

The only thing that *really* bugs me, personally, is not the absence of "C&C" (whatever that might mean) or "character customisation" (such as choosing a race, background, etc.), but rather that "more dynamic" combat system Bioware has in mind for DA2. I sorta hoped - after all the criticism DA's inane filler combat received - that they'd at least attempt to improve on encounter design in DA2. Well, it seems they've gone in the opposite direction: to make combat even more "popamole" seems to be their only goal...

You do realise that they would have interpreted the criticism of the combat to mean 'wasn't dumbed down enough', don't you?

 

[Crooked Bee]

The only thing that *really* bugs me, personally, is not the absence of "C&C" (whatever that might mean) or "character customisation" (such as choosing a race, background, etc.), but rather that "more dynamic" combat system Bioware has in mind for DA2. I sorta hoped - after all the criticism DA's inane filler combat received - that they'd at least attempt to improve on encounter design in DA2. Well, it seems they've gone in the opposite direction: to make combat even more "popamole" seems to be their only goal...

You do realise that they would have interpreted the criticism of the combat to mean 'wasn't dumbed down enough', don't you?

Yeah, I do -- and that's precisely what saddens me. I might've been too naive, but I really hoped they wouldn't interpret the criticism the way they seem to have done. At least it never occurred to me -- and now I see just how mistaken I was -- that they'd go the Mass Effect route with DA2.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Still

I see.

Exactly. All these fucking newfags are making me

As far as I'm concerned, you're all fucking newfags.

I'm one of the old guard bitches, so sukamabawlz

Eitherway, it's funny but the only bio games I played were the original BG and NWN. I've never replayed either. All I do know is that Bio has been sliding down this path of what I like to call design mediocrity for some time now, so it's really no surprise to see them continue this trend, even taking it several steps further regarding character development.

But eh, it's bio. I don't really care either way. I'm just surprised that people will blame EA. Really? The publisher's fault? Doesn't any old excuse get old around here?
We did it for troika. Let's face it, it wasn't just the publisher (though Activision did fuck them). Even God Cain admitted he was no business man.

Others did it for Obsidian. THey have just proven to be lousy programmers with semi-mediocre ideas.

And now Bioware? Seriously?




Of all companies, blame the publisher with Bioware? No way. If anything, the publisher is my hero in this case. Why?
Because the moment they make a really shitty game, Bioware gets dissolved. Why?
Their games cost a shitload of money to make, and EA Games, according to their last major financial statements, is asset rich (barely) and very cash poor. Really, so much of their assets are in goodwill that after this year, I wonder how asset rich they actually will be.
Fun accounting fact: once goodwill gets devalued, it's permanently devalued, and no amount of funds can ever bring that back. And in the end, they're a publicly traded company with stockholders and owners that care only about the bottom line.
If Bio doesn't tow the line, they're gonna be dragged. And fucked.

 

[Volourn]

The contract that BIo and EA signed won't make it so easy for EA to 'dissolve' BIO. Trust me on that.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Specifics?

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

You know; like when EA took over that other CRPG giant, Origin. Trust Volourn. Just trust him.