Is HL2 innovative? DISCUSS

[prodigydancer]

[Edit]: I never asked for this to be a separate topic but whatcha gonna do...

Fallout 3 looked worse than Half-Life 2, which was released in 2004, remember?

Gameplay-wise HL2 was a pinnacle of innovation, no arguing here, but visually... sorry, it was barely OK for 2004. Particularly, lighting was total crap so everything looked flat including character models. Now FO3 didn't look like a proper 2008 game (e.g. Crysis Warhead) but it was a solid lightyear ahead of HL2 in terms of gfx tech.

 

[Immortal]

Fallout 3 looked worse than Half-Life 2, which was released in 2004, remember?

Gameplay-wise HL2 was a pinnacle of innovation, no arguing here, but visually... sorry, it was barely OK for 2004. Particularly, lighting was total crap so everything looked flat including character models. Now FO3 didn't look like a proper 2008 game (e.g. Crysis Warhead) but it was a solid lightyear ahead of HL2 in terms of gfx tech.

 

[pippin]

Half Life 2 looks great. At least they could manage to do good facial animations and somewhat coherent physics.
Insert image of Dogmeat flying in the air here.

 

[cherry blossom]

Pinnacle of innovation? HL2? Jumping and crawling puzzles. Long walks. Live cinematics. Gimmicky predefined physics setups. What was the innovation?

 

[Athelas]

Well, it was ported to consoles, no? I imagine basic health care would be considered an innovation in many third world countries.

 

[Lemming42]

It wasn't innovative, but you have to pretend and say it was because otherwise you end up in a 50 page derail about it.

 

[prodigydancer]

It wasn't innovative

/facepalm
I take it no-one here remembers what FPS gameplay was like before HL2. Well, carry on.

 

[Doktor Best]

HL2 was basically a tech demo for the source engine, which revolutionized the physics engine and motion capturing in computer games.

It only delivered on the technical aspect but well atleast it delivered there, whereas fallout3 was like christmas for a little kid and instead of a lego castle it got sexual abuse as present.

 

[granit]

HL2 one of the most overhyped piece of shit games out there. Why it is so popular I will probably never understand. Its shit.

 

[Orma]

It's a shooter with horrible gunplay, i'll never understand how people like that game let alone saying it has ''INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY''

 

[Mech]

HL2 one of the most overhyped piece of shit games out there. Why it is so popular I will probably never understand. Its shit.

If HL2 is shit, what FPS do you consider awesome?

 

[granit]

HL2 one of the most overhyped piece of shit games out there. Why it is so popular I will probably never understand. Its shit.

If HL2 is shit, what FPS do you consider awesome?

Quake 1, Quake 3 Arena, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament, Battlefield 1942 (& desert combat), Battlefield 2

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Can you pick up tin cans in any of those games? Yeah, thought so, fuckin nerd. Fallout 3 lets you pick up tin cans AND bent tin cans, so it's like a spiritual successor.

 

[Lemming42]

It wasn't innovative

/facepalm
I take it no-one here remembers what FPS gameplay was like before HL2. Well, carry on.

Here comes the prophesied derail.

 

[racofer]

It wasn't innovative, but you have to pretend and say it was because otherwise you end up in a 50 page derail about it.

Not in fair Codexistan.

 

[Black]

Fallout 3 looked worse than Half-Life 2, which was released in 2004, remember?

Gameplay-wise HL2 was a pinnacle of innovation, no arguing here, but visually... sorry, it was barely OK for 2004. Particularly, lighting was total crap so everything looked flat including character models. Now FO3 didn't look like a proper 2008 game (e.g. Crysis Warhead) but it was a solid lightyear ahead of HL2 in terms of gfx tech.

The fuck was innovative about HL2? What about it changed the FPS games forever?

 

[prodigydancer]

The fuck was innovative about HL2? What about it changed the FPS games forever?

For the sake of educating the ignorami I'll answer as is that were a serious question.

HL2 featured physics simulation and physics-based puzzles as significant parts of gameplay. E.g. Gravity Gun. Today it doesn't sound like much but before HL2 the closest thing to using physics in FPS gameplay was rocket jump.

 

[Black]

The fuck was innovative about HL2? What about it changed the FPS games forever?

For the sake of educating the ignorami I'll answer as is that were a serious question.

HL2 featured physics simulation and physics-based puzzles as significant parts of gameplay. E.g. Gravity Gun. Today it doesn't sound like much but before HL2 the closest thing to using physics in FPS gameplay was rocket jump.

A lot of games prior to HL2 had "physics" puzzles even if they weren't as "great" as physics of HL2. Which still doesn't answer the question, how did it change FIRST PERSON SHOOTER games, because I doubt you think of physics puzzles when somebody mentions the term "FPS".

 

[prodigydancer]

Which still doesn't answer the question, how did it change FIRST PERSON SHOOTER games, because I doubt you think of physics puzzles when somebody mentions the term "FPS".

Decline is universal. Why make physics like in HL2 or AI like in FEAR when you can make mindless online shooters that sell like hot pies? Which brings us back to Falllout and Bethesda. Just like Bethesda is a symbol of RPG decline, Activision is a symbol of FPS decline.

 

[Athelas]

Decline is universal. Why make physics like in HL2

'Physics like HL2'? Here is a game released before Half-Life 2 that did the physics-based shooter (albeit third-person shooter) much better:

 

[granit]

The fuck was innovative about HL2? What about it changed the FPS games forever?

For the sake of educating the ignorami I'll answer as is that were a serious question.

HL2 featured physics simulation and physics-based puzzles as significant parts of gameplay. E.g. Gravity Gun. Today it doesn't sound like much but before HL2 the closest thing to using physics in FPS gameplay was rocket jump.

What? Quake 3 has "better" physics. What are you smoking? Stop it with the HL2 fake hype

 

[Black]

Which still doesn't answer the question, how did it change FIRST PERSON SHOOTER games, because I doubt you think of physics puzzles when somebody mentions the term "FPS".

Decline is universal. Why make physics like in HL2 or AI like in FEAR when you can make mindless online shooters that sell like hot pies? Which brings us back to Falllout and Bethesda. Just like Bethesda is a symbol of RPG decline, Activision is a symbol of FPS decline.

I thought you were talking about how HL2 was incline and innovation when it comes to FPS games?

 

[granit]

Next someone is going to say that Avatar was an innovative movie.

 

[prodigydancer]

Here is a game released before Half-Life 2 that did the physics-based shooter (albeit third-person shooter) much better

Like you said, Psi-Ops wasn't a first-person game. It also couldn't possibly influence HL2 because "before" here is 5 months before. But I agree that it did make good use of physics.

I thought you were talking about how HL2 was incline and innovation when it comes to FPS games?

HL2 and FEAR were incline but good times didn't last long because X360 and PS3 were already on their way and smelled like money printing machines.

 

[Black]

Yeah, you've yet to argue how HL2 was incline as far as FPS are considered.