Game News JADE 0.2.0 released

[DakaSha]

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[Johnny the Mule]

Faggot

 

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[Elwro]

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[Damned Registrations]

LOL. If he had money you guys would be posting pics of Kotick instead.

The original guidebook is just flat-out wrong in several places. Which wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that it was abandoned just like the game was.

At any rate, hoarding your work is fine, but don't pretend it's fucking awesome when it still has obvious bugs that aren't getting fixed because you'd rather be a douche. If that twat had his fucking way you still wouldn't be able to play a version that doesn't randomly crash when you drop shit on the ground. Enjoying the praise for the version where that is fixed while raging at the guys who fixed it is not fucking cool.

 

[getter77]

Biskup may well not be done with ADOM as it is, given the iADOM notions kicking around and apparently gaining some kinda background traction awhile back. Granted, plenty of people thought that was vaporware and likely the majority of those the same of JADE. "Biskup-time" definitely seems to be a thing, but time will tell. If people had such a hard-on to wrangle with something almost-ADOM, Elona has been making some bits of progress since the source released awhile back and getting reckoned into a more approachable language than Hot Soup Processing. Perhaps it can't be shaped precisely into ADOM outright, but it is perhaps one of the biggest "homage" projects I can think of within the entire span of Roguelikes save for the many tweaked takes on Rogue itself within the earliest of days and of course the *BAND scene.

Biskup's quote on being "the most mysterious sprawling Roguelike" is kind of amusing though, as I can think of another closed source sprawler that has covered some serious ground within several months a bit before the first public JADE offering and seems like it is maybe going into active dev again.

http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment. ... .php/Rayel

I'd kind of like to see what is going on in the heads of Biskup and the rest of the few devs currently chasing after these sorts of enormous undertakings that have generally fallen far from the limelight of the commercial space, if it can ever be said they were truly there. Is it all a vacuum for each one and their meticulous personal notions with "good"/self-affirming feedback from the players incorporated or is there some examination of the fellow travelers/competition since none of the games are really intended to be short-form endeavors that indirectly encourage the playerbase to sample a broader range?

 

[DakaSha]

LOL. If he had money you guys would be posting pics of Kotick instead.

The original guidebook is just flat-out wrong in several places. Which wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that it was abandoned just like the game was.

At any rate, hoarding your work is fine, but don't pretend it's fucking awesome when it still has obvious bugs that aren't getting fixed because you'd rather be a douche. If that twat had his fucking way you still wouldn't be able to play a version that doesn't randomly crash when you drop shit on the ground. Enjoying the praise for the version where that is fixed while raging at the guys who fixed it is not fucking cool.

I dont see what it has to do with being a douche. Its douchy to think he should act any different. Nobody expects microsoft to give up its code. Nobody expects games published by EA to give up their code.
People expect him to give up his code for the simple reason that its a roguleike. And the more it pisses you assholes off the more happy i am he doesnt

There is literally NO reason to actually expect somebody to give up something that they sunk shitloads of work into especially if its free. Don't like it? Don't play it. That simple. Quit acting like an entitled twat. You want a bug free roguelike? Go program one yourself... or wait.. ahhh! I see the problem now

edit: let me add that im not even saying it would be a bad thing if he released the code (although i seriously do dread a shitloads of crappy projects popping up.)
My point is simply that there is no justification in actually *expecting* it for free as you and many other obviously do.

edit: expecting him to fix his product on the other hand is debatable. Personally i think something released to the public should work so i can semi agree. I havent had any problems with adom though so i dont see what the big deal ios (other then the retarded khevelaster space bug that crashes and ruins your game.. fucking retarded.. but im aware of it at least)

 

[Damned Registrations]

It's not a matter of whether or not he has the code. Its a matter of whether or not he lets something potentially great be mediocre for selfish dramaqueen reasons. If he were actually going to fix that shit himself I'd be fine with it. Dwarf Fortress doesn't have it's code released either but I could care less since the author is pouring his fucking soul into it. With ADOM, it's been abandoned, and a 'KEEP OFF' sign erected purely because he doesn't want to be outshined by his own fucking work with a bit of polish. He doesn't want a better version of ADOM to exist, by his hand or anyone else's. That's awfully pathetic. It's like restoring an antique automobile 90%, and then stopping, and asking to be buried with it rather than pass it on to someone who might finish the job. It's not a matter of anyone being entitled to the car, it's a matter of it being reprehensible to waste such a thing. Likewise, letting ADOM sit there when it could be polished to perfection so easily after all this time ought to be a fucking crime. He should have kept working on it, or passed it on to someone trustworthy, or released the code, or something. It's certainly his right, but I can't possibly hold any respect for such a person.

You might also consider his hypocrisy, given this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology ... ideo_games and the fact that I can't seem to find a word of gratitude towards the guys who went before him anywhere on his site or in the game credits. Contrast with : http://www.dungeoncrawl.org/

 

[Johnny the Mule]

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Oh gee, I used a bad word. Ban me. Ban me please!
Three fucking morons who could not argue a straw man if it came to it.
Especially the very first one.

There is literally NO reason to actually expect somebody to give up something that they sunk shitloads of work into especially if its free. Don't like it? Don't play it. That simple. Quit acting like an entitled twat. You want a bug free roguelike? Go program one yourself... or wait.. ahhh! I see the problem now

Dumbest motherfucking shit I read today.

 

[DakaSha]

It's not a matter of whether or not he has the code. Its a matter of whether or not he lets something potentially great be mediocre for selfish dramaqueen reasons. If he were actually going to fix that shit himself I'd be fine with it. Dwarf Fortress doesn't have it's code released either but I could care less since the author is pouring his fucking soul into it. With ADOM, it's been abandoned, and a 'KEEP OFF' sign erected purely because he doesn't want to be outshined by his own fucking work with a bit of polish. He doesn't want a better version of ADOM to exist, by his hand or anyone else's. That's awfully pathetic. It's like restoring an antique automobile 90%, and then stopping, and asking to be buried with it rather than pass it on to someone who might finish the job. It's not a matter of anyone being entitled to the car, it's a matter of it being reprehensible to waste such a thing. Likewise, letting ADOM sit there when it could be polished to perfection so easily after all this time ought to be a fucking crime. He should have kept working on it, or passed it on to someone trustworthy, or released the code, or something. It's certainly his right, but I can't possibly hold any respect for such a person.

You might also consider his hypocrisy, given this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology ... ideo_games and the fact that I can't seem to find a word of gratitude towards the guys who went before him anywhere on his site or in the game credits. Contrast with : http://www.dungeoncrawl.org/

To many assumptions. I'm over it

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

It's not a matter of whether or not he has the code. Its a matter of whether or not he lets something potentially great be mediocre for selfish dramaqueen reasons. If he were actually going to fix that shit himself I'd be fine with it. Dwarf Fortress doesn't have it's code released either but I could care less since the author is pouring his fucking soul into it. With ADOM, it's been abandoned, and a 'KEEP OFF' sign erected purely because he doesn't want to be outshined by his own fucking work with a bit of polish. He doesn't want a better version of ADOM to exist, by his hand or anyone else's. That's awfully pathetic. It's like restoring an antique automobile 90%, and then stopping, and asking to be buried with it rather than pass it on to someone who might finish the job. It's not a matter of anyone being entitled to the car, it's a matter of it being reprehensible to waste such a thing. Likewise, letting ADOM sit there when it could be polished to perfection so easily after all this time ought to be a fucking crime. He should have kept working on it, or passed it on to someone trustworthy, or released the code, or something. It's certainly his right, but I can't possibly hold any respect for such a person.

Yeah. It's kinda irrational. Especially wanting to release the code and then getting butthurt at someone and deciding to never release it. Wasted potential is sad to see.

While I can understand the feelings involved, I also see that it doesn't lead to the best possible outcome.

 

[Cassidy]

Yeah. It's kinda irrational. Especially wanting to release the code and then getting butthurt at someone and deciding to never release it. Wasted potential is sad to see.

While I can understand the feelings involved, I also see that it doesn't lead to the best possible outcome.

That one could be a Qwinn/Tessera-grade drama. Too bad it's probably impossible to find links for such an old event. Also isn't JADE a successor to ADOM anyway as its title "Java Ancient Domains Engine" implies?

Though I can't see why code a new roguelike from scratch, specially in Java, instead of improving the existing project unless some kind of serious flaw in the core engine would require near everything that has hooks to it to be rewritten.

 

[Teepo]

More like obsessively controlling. He'd rather take the code to his grave than let people patch the fucking bugs or derive spoilers from the code. Which led to the only guy putting out an accurate and up to date guide for newbies being ostracized by the OCD fanbase.

Not this retarded stance again. You spend years and years on something and retarded people you have never even met tell you what to do with your product.
It's his code. He spent a good portion of his life on it. Fuck you.
And im GLAD he doesnt release it.. Mostly for the same reasons he states. I would truly loathe it turning into the shitstorm that angband has turned into.

HURR DURR

III.E. What about the sources for the game?
===========================================

ADOM's sources are not yet available. My original plan was to release
the sources once ADOM 1.0.0 is finished and I could consider the game to
be even remotely complete.

In the past a couple of folks were very insensitive about my notions
regarding ADOM variants and argued "If the game is available without
costs I can do with the sources whatever I like". Those folks are...
well... socially retarded would be too nice as a description. Let's just
assume that those people really made me wonder about what I'm doing here.
They really should try to create something in the scope of ADOM only once
in their lives and then they might understand. Anyways, those folks
annoyed the hell out of me and I've decided that I'm not going to
release the sources for ADOM.

This will have a good and a bad effect. The good effect is that ADOM
will remain the most challenging and mysterious of all roguelike games,
simply because you just can't take a look into the sources and find
all the secrets right away once a new version is released. The bad
effect (for some people) is that they can't toy around with the sources,
create variants, etc. I can live very well with that and this it will
happen.

Summary: BABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWW + HURR DURR DERP CHALLENING ROFL

That fuckface is a selfimportant modder style drama bitch who writes enterprise grade software (ie it barely fucking runs).
No one gives a shit.

Intriguing. Baw Herpderp indeed.

 

[getter77]

Annd he made the fix release in pretty good time. 0.2.1

http://www.ancientdomainsofmystery.com/ ... eased.html

Barely one week after releasing JADE 0.2.0 I am very happy to announce the followup release: JADE 0.2.1 is finished. The new release mostly is a bugfix release for JADE 0.2.0 with a few minor additions.
Being mostly a bugfix release the major reason for an upgrade naturally that lots of things now work more correctly (or at all). The extensive list below contains all the details. Major new additions include a lot of finetuning for food consumption, starting power and skill points. Additionally drakelings now are playable. Oh, and corpses have been added to the game. And special effects for eating them ;-)

Besides these minor additions and major balance modifications here's the list of changes for JADE 0.2.1:

* Added two new item types.
* Added the 'confused' condition.
* Added corpses and special effects for corpses.
* Added a mandatory maze level to the caves of Chaos.
* Improved the skill dialog for raising skills (RFE 509).
* Improved the chances of finding something when searching (RFE 513).
* Adjusted hunger in the wilderness: the survival skill now greatly reduces time based
hunger effects in the wilderness, specific regions (e.g. forest or desert) modify the
effectiveness of the survival skill (RFE 490, 517).
* Provide extra weapon skill levels in the beginning.
* Increased starting hit points.
* Increased the nutrition value of items.
* Reduced the price for food.
* Several interactions (like kicking) now automatically select a single existing target (RFE 484, 488).
* The message for kicking an open door now longer enforces a (more) prompt.
* Added a message to wells.
* Unpaid items no longer stack (if not generated as a stack right away) in order to fix issue 487.
Additionally unpaid items no longer can be split when dropping them to prevent another shop
inventory bug (issue 534).
* Adjusted the danger level of dungeons (it now grows more slowly).
* Now JADE grants a lot more skill points when advancing a level but skills get a lot more costly
if the skill level by far surpasses the character level.
* Greatly increased the wilderness healing rate (RFE 529).
* 'a' now only displays the actually usable skills, 'A' displays all skills and allows to raise them
(RFE 530).
* Added alternate line colors to the weapon skill dialog. Fixed some of the headline underlinings in
that dialog.
* Added the alternating color scheme to other dialogs like the inventory, the stuff list, the skill
dialog, etc.
* Added a means to kick through secret doors (RFE 542).
* Fixed the problem with huge and gargantuan items no longer appearing in lists (issues 432, 575).
Affected small characters in combination with large items, too.
* Fixed the bug with endless raw meat supplies (raw meat didn't get consumed when eaten, issue 510).
Additionally various races are now more detailed in their meaning about raw meat (issue 494).
* Fixed the frequency of cursed items by reducing that status a little more (issue 420).
* Fixed weapons of heroism (probably already in an earlier version, issue 439).
* Fixed the naming for sized boots (issue 441).
* Fixed find weakness skill handling (issue 453).
* Fixed a problem with locked door interaction messages (issue 482).
* Fixed a problem with being able to select invalid directions (issue 483, 512).
* Fixed drakelings being unplayable due to a last minute change on my part (issue 485).
* Fixed the dungeon name of the classical ADOM dungeon (issue 486).
* Fixed the problem with unpurchased items stacking with purchased items (issue 487).
* Fixed the experience point rewards for monsters (issues 311, 489).
* Fixed current attack handling for necklaces of protection from touch attacks (issue 493).
* Fixed a problem with concurrent item modification exceptions (issue 495).
* Fixed the NPE when trying to build something with C-p (issue 497).
* Fixed the problem of elven skeletons breaking parts of the game (issues 492, 498).
* Fixed various NPEs in the help menu (issue 500, 555).
* Reduced the digging power of ants (issue 501).
* Fixed the missing hive mentality of ants and bees (issue 501).
* Fixed the broken strength drain message of shadows (issue 502).
* Fixed the wrong leather apron name (issue 503).
* Fixed a typo in the introduction (issue 506).
* Fixed a problem with internal events that occurred too often (issue 514).
* Fixed a problem with being unable to pay shopkeeper if the carried amount of gold
is exactly equal to the debt owed (issue 516).
* Fixed an item copy/comparison bug when equipping/unequipping items (issues 480, 481, 504, 507, 520, 546, 554).
* Fixed a food typo (issue 518).
* Fixed the problem of non-moving villagers (issues 427, 519).
* Fixed a typo for honey (issue 523).
* Fixed a gnollish race typo (issue 524).
* Fixed a rumor typo (issue 525).
* Fixed kicking while in water (issue 527).
* Fixed the problem of stairs being generated in tension rooms (issue 535).
* Fixed problems with giant bees not attacking anyone (issue 536).
* Fixed the non-sensical key mapping for "y" during "Really...?" questions (issues 174, 538).
* Fixed a problem with the shopkeeper message concerning the consumption of unpaid
items (issue 539).
* Fixed imbuing item stacks (issue 548).
* Fixed incredibly hard to find secret doors (issue 551).
* Fixed the problem of being lucky increasing your critical hit chance to 99+ (issue 558).
* Fixed yet another place which caused cursed starting equipment in the stuff list (issue 564).
* Fixed various endless loop problems arising from an enormous time advancement for the PC
(issues 386, 436, 565).
* Fixed a giant bee hive typo (issue 566).
* Fixed a death message typo (issue 568).
* Fixed the problem of illegally sized tools still being usable (issue 572).
* Fixed two problems with monsters disappearing/crashing the game in mazes (issues 574,
* Fixed the plural of brass rings (issue 576).
* Fixed a problem with rings of damage not visibly changing the weapon damage (tough internally
the damage calculation was adjusted correctly; issue 577). Fixed the same problem for rings of
slaying.
* Fixed a problem of being able to hear messages across different maps (issue 578).
* Fixed a problem with forest being generated in Terinyo (it should have been trees).
* Fixed a problem that might cause houses to be build mixed with trees and other things.
* Fixed a problem with experience point handling for advancement (reaching the minimum required
number was not sufficient to advance, issue 553).
* Fixed gelee royal (which didn't nourish the eater).
* Fixed the problems of initial items in the stuff list not being of the correct size.
* Fixed a problem in the equality comparison of rings of slaying.
* Fixed a problem with singular and plural messages on altars.