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[WouldBeCreator]

If he <s>were</s> was a liberal it wouldn't be pistols at dawn either. It would probably be a class action lawsuit or something.

edit- nope, subjunctive is inappropriate in this context! /nazi

Umm, under the construction you used, subjunctive clearly was appropriate. And if you use "was" at the very least you have to use "won't" / "will" -- as in "it won't be pistols . . . . It will probably be . . . ." And "was" should be "is."

Anyway.

 

[User was nabbed fit]

BEHOLD! The magnificent view from the highest point of the land!





How modest:


I'm glad I know a person who buys this shit (that way I don't have to buy it myself -- edit: not that I would if I didn't know him, LOL)... but in his defence, he reviews this kind of stuff (amateur; just for kicks -- so he's not in on the Bethesda conspiracy >_>), so he has an actual reason to.

Other than that, what dongle posted is pretty much spot on.

 

[Oarfish]

Curious but extraordinary

Are they outsourcing the writing to taiwanese rice huskers?

 

[Vault Dweller]

My post doesn't suggest that.

Oh, come on! Take a little responsibility.

I have no problems with taking responsibility and admitting that I was wrong. For example, I have criticized the cast-n-fight feature before the release, but have admitted in the review (and personally to Gavin) that it was one of the best improvements.

Anyway, again, about the selectiveness. Let me put it that way. You want to buy a game. Being a careful gentleman, you check the forums, and see some complains that the game runs like shit or doesn't run it all. Some guy tells you that neither he nor his friends have a problem with the game. Is his opinion relevant? Why?

You knew exactly what your post was suggesting when you put it up.

It matters not to me whether Bethesda did it deliberately or not, just like it doesn't matter whether Bethesda's failure to deliver on the other promises was deliberate. Point is Bethesda has a proven track record of lying & misleading in order to sell more copies. That's it, that's the point.

It's quite possible that they deliberately blocked it, but I have trouble believing that given that they advertised the view and that, apparently, the view isn't that bad when the rain isn't there.

Apparently would be a key word here. From my own experience with the game, at the highest settings, btw, everything looks like shit from a distance. The further away you are, the worse it looks. Trust me, it aint Far Cry.

Yes it does. After reading it, I was under the impression that Beth deliberately altered the weather.

Reading WHAT? I wrote NOTHING as in not a damn thing. I saw a few threads stating that there is a problem with the view, and I posted some quotes without commenting on anything. That's all.

We have a situation where a feature was promised, but didn't delivered. There could be many different reasons why, from wishful thinking, like some Gavin's quotes, to a simple mistake overlooked by QA, to a poor attempt to fix the view, to a deliberate attempt to block it after failing to pretty it up. Who gives a flying fuck? No, really? The point, the only point, is that we have yet another false promise, leading to a situation where trusting Bethesda is a really stupid thing to do. In fact, honestly, I hope that they did it deliberately, because incompetence - i.e. QA missing a problem with the #1 fucking feature on the list - is much worse.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Start game and instantly find the deed and key to the tower in your inventory, as noted by a popup.

That's going to get real old real fast. What happens if you install every little $2 mod and they all have instant pop-ups? Are you bombarded with them all at once?

 

[dipdipdip]

Wow, the mods sound like shit. I had no intention of getting any of them, and Bethesda's really making it easy for me to stick to my decision.

 

[kingcomrade]

Umm, under the construction you used, subjunctive clearly was appropriate. And if you use "was" at the very least you have to use "won't" / "will" -- as in "it won't be pistols . . . . It will probably be . . . ." And "was" should be "is."

No. I wasn't denying the possiblity that he was or was not a conservative. If I used the subjunctive I would be implying that it is impossible (as in, not true in the absolute sense, like, I am in Texas therefore I am not in Paris, so if I created any scenario where I were in Paris, I would have to use the subjunctive as I just did) for him to be a liberal. Since I don't know what he is and either case could be true, the subjunctive isn't appropriate. This is a matter of semantics, not grammar.

<s>The second part of your corrections would only be true if my second sentence were not a sentence but a clause in the first sentence.</s>
edit- Er, no, that's not true either. Anyways, it doesn't matter, I didn't pay any attention to the rest of my post.

 

[Twinfalls]

This isn't about the stupid tower mod, but it's a thread demonstrating just how pissed off the fans of the series are getting with Bethesda, for what it's worth:

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/inde ... pic=403490

 

[Briosafreak]

I am in Texas therefore I am not in Paris

Wrong

Sorry for the pun, it's one of my favorite movies

 

[kingcomrade]

I am in Texas therefore I am not in Paris

Wrong

Sorry for the pun, it's one of my favorite movies

Ah I totally forgot about that. It's a real town, you know, and I've been there.

 

[WouldBeCreator]

Argh! I keep trying to respond and I keep fucking losing my post (two board shutdowns, one accident back button press). Here is my last damn try. If any of these quotes is out of context, please tell me, cause I'm legitimately confused.

See my point?

Sure, I see your point, but I don't think that you were quoting those posts to indicate that a sizable number of people aren't getting the promised view. . . .
[Y]our post suggests . . . that Bethesda promised a feature and then deliberately removed it because they couldn't produce on it . . . [which] suggests bad faith.

The difference between what your post suggests (that Bethesda promised a feature and then deliberately removed it ...

My post doesn't suggest that.

Oh, come on! Take a little responsibility.

Point is Bethesda has a proven track record of lying & misleading in order to sell more copies. That's it, that's the point.

So this is what I don't get: You ask me to see your point. I say that your point is Bethesda was being deceptive, not being incompetent. You say that wasn't suggested. And then, one post later, you say that the point is "Bethesda has a proven record of lying and misleading."

So how exactly did I miss your point, when that was exactly what I said you were suggesting? And why exactly did you deny that that was your point?

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Guys, guys, guys.. Don't fight. You're both right. Bethesda is deceptive and incompetent.

 

[WouldBeCreator]

Hey, I loathe Bethesda top to bottom. I've never liked TES games, so I'm not afflicted with the sentimentality of some here. Hell, I hate the fact that a game company is named after a shitty suburb of DC. I hate the fact that it's surnamed "Softworks." I hate the fact that it's named "Bethesda Softworks" because they wanted to name it "Softworks" found the name was taken, and so they stuck on the shitty suburb. The place seems like it's run by dicks, the game looks awful, the scaling issue sounds idiotic, etc.

I just think there's enough to take them down without selectively quoting, that's all.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Guys, guys, guys.. Don't fight. You're both right. Bethesda is deceptive and incompetent.

So this is what I don't get: You ask me to see your point. I say that your point is Bethesda was being deceptive, not being incompetent. You say that wasn't suggested. And then, one post later, you say that the point is "Bethesda has a proven record of lying and misleading."

So how exactly did I miss your point, when that was exactly what I said you were suggesting? And why exactly did you deny that that was your point?

Let me use another example, using Gavin's quote, featured in my review: "We also spent a good deal of time considering what happens when you hit the top of each faction, so it feels like a more rewarding experience once you’re ‘done’ with them. " You see, neither the quote itself nor my comments in the review imply that Bethesda did something awesome and then removed it deliberately. In fact, I couldn't care less why something isn't there, what matters is that it isn't there. See my point now? It's "what" vs "why". Once again, my post couldn't imply anything because I didn't write anything, but posted some quotes that may lead to several conclusions. You picked one, but that doesn't mean that I picked the same conclusion too.

I just think there's enough to take them down without selectively quoting, that's all.

Like I said before, when you have a product, facts pointing at problems are much more important than facts showing that the product is fine. It's not selective quoting, it's common sense. Especially since it turned out that 90% of users are having problems with the product.

 

[WouldBeCreator]

Once again, my post couldn't imply anything because I didn't write anything, but posted some quotes that may lead to several conclusions.

You're kidding, right? You think that selectively quoting cannot implying anything? Surely you jest, because no serious person would take that ridiculous a position.

That's what I'm not understanding about your position. You've admitted that the point was to show that Betheda lies. You picked quotes that supported that point. So why not admit that the selective quoting "suggested" that point? It seems undeniable, so denying it just makes you look dishonest.

*shrug* It's not worth arguing further.

 

[Vault Dweller]

You're kidding, right? You think that selectively quoting cannot implying anything? Surely you jest, because no serious person would take that ridiculous a position.

It implies many things, like I said. It doesn't imply that specific position that you are referring to.

That's what I'm not understanding about your position. You've admitted that the point was to show that Betheda lies. You picked quotes that supported that point. So why not admit that the selective quoting "suggested" that point? It seems undeniable, so denying it just makes you look dishonest.

Obviously, the quotes I posted implied that Bethesda lied about the view, it just doesn't imply that the problem with the view was a deliberate attempt to block it. Maybe you don't see the difference and it's all the same shit to you, I do. That was my point.

*shrug* It's not worth arguing further.

Indeed.

 

[DemonKing]

I can't believe people are buying this new crap - I still haven't even got through half of the crap in the original game...

 

[Excrément]

I can't believe people are buying this new crap - I still haven't even got through half of the crap in the original game...

If you can buy 50$ a crap, I can understand other people are able to buy 2$ another crap.

 

[Section8]

Yeah, value for money just doesn't really come into the equation when you're talking about a couple of bucks. If you (or your parents) have enough cash to afford a machine capable of running Oblivion, $2 isn't breaking anyone's bank.

Here's hoping that most people are offended enough by the very principle to boycott the LOW, LOW, CRAZY FUCKING PRICE!!!*

* Which still won't get you value for money. You're better off giving spare change to smackies for head.

 

[bryce777]

Just in the interest of honesty, here's another two posts from the same thread

For every negative point there are always people claiming that their game functions as advertised, etc. I've seen plenty of posts stating that the view is blocked, and even if it's not the case for some people, that DOES represent a concern.

Take ToEE, for example. The game crashed a lot, but it crashed only twice on my computer. Does the fact that I had a wonderful experience matter for those who couldn't play it? Or take KOTOR for another example. The sound was fucked, so I had to disable to play the game without crashing. That was not a single problem. Now, tell me, in the interest of honesty, would a KOTOR player who has problems with the game give a flying fuck that someone doesn't have a problem with it?

See my point?

Actually, with toee it didn't crash. It would just lock up for a few seconds and some people have zero patience. It also mostly only happened in one place and was not a huge deal.

 

[suibhne]

Actually, with toee it didn't crash. It would just lock up for a few seconds and some people have zero patience. It also mostly only happened in one place and was not a huge deal.

Volourn? Is there a...Volourn Honourblade here?

 

[Quigs]

Ports = Good. If youve got a bounty on your head, you cant fast travel into or out of towns. As a wizard, your almost guaranteed to get a bounty, usually, just by dicking around with spells. (Example, make a damage 3, time 1, radius 100 fire damage spell. looks f'n awesome. But then you just damaged every citizen and guard for the entire town )

and a little side glitch/cheat I recently found.

Get as big a bounty as you want. a gajillionbalioooilion septim bounty. Go to the arcane university in the imperial city. The guards there have their own faction, because if they were to attack you, your entire guild would kill them. As they have their own faction, they also dont follow every other locations bounty. only their own. So, walk up to one, and punch em. He will fine you 40 septims, or something just as light. pay it off.

The game only takes note of one bounty, so when it sees you paid it off, it erases the 40 septims, as well as the gajillion one.

 

[Lurkar]

If you actually need to CHEAT in this game, you have more problems then any mod could ever solve.

 

[User was nabbed fit]

They made no guarantees about the weather.

I can see that some of you have never bought real estate. Like Charming, means real small rooms, and Quaint means someone thought that paint color was cool 20 years ago.

ROFL! Is he really trying to defend Bethesda on this one? Good god, how low will Beth go, before their fanboys finally jump out of their trance?

Oh well; he's an ESF mod, they're like, uhhh, super-duper fanboys... I guess that you have to suck major cock to be one of those (in any case, those who are, do).

But yes, I guess that Bethesda are like many people in the property business; spineless and moneygrubbing (yes, that's a real word). So, it seems that the fanboys' obsession has gone one step further: some of them are now 'accepting' that they're being robbed in plain view, but they're not even resisting... how, sad?


Ah fuck, I'm losing faith in natural selection. We've got it too easy these days, it's how the retards survive... only to be exploited, though.

 

[Quigs]

If you actually need to CHEAT in this game, you have more problems then any mod could ever solve.

Yeah, because playing the same type of character every time sure never gets dull now, does it? Lets take out bows in the next game too, cause... just have swords and throwing swords. You probably wouldnt mind that either now, would ya?