Let's settle this once and for all! Who's the Top Dog?

[spacemoose]

I'm top gun

 

[PorkaMorka]

Remind me again why the Codex stopped rewarding posting excellence with a special tag.

Remind me again why a game should be able to get a high score when it includes a major gameplay element which is incredibly poorly done?

Arcanum is part good game and part awful game. That's not hyperbole, the whole gimmick of magic vs technology is ruined by the fact that picking magic makes the game trivial.

PS:T is part good game and part mediocre game. The combat is decidedly sub par and not particularly fun and you do a lot of it.

Fallout is the most complete of the three, especially considering it's release date. It's flaws are substantially more forgivable, despite it's flawed mechanics it was easy for people who played it to enjoy the combat, the exploration, the interaction *and* the plot, not just a portion of the game.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Remind me again why the Codex stopped rewarding posting excellence with a special tag.

Remind me again why a game should be able to get a high score when it includes a major gameplay element which is incredibly poorly done?

Arcanum is part good game and part awful game. That's not hyperbole, the whole gimmick of magic vs technology is ruined by the fact that picking magic makes the game trivial.

PS:T is part good game and part mediocre game. The combat is decidedly sub par and not particularly fun and you do a lot of it.

Fallout is the most complete of the three, especially considering it's release date. It's flaws are substantially more forgivable, despite it's flawed mechanics it was easy for people who played it to enjoy the combat, the exploration, the interaction *and* the plot, not just a portion of the game.

I don't like you very much.

 

[denizsi]

I'm torn between Fallout and Arcanum, but I vote Fallout.

Fallout is complete in itself.

Arcanum pushed RPG design further but lots of stuff ended up premature. Lots of in-game promise that built towards an anti-climax of nothingness. Plus, with forced combat encounters by the bucket loads and no way to avoid them, it can basically be thought of as a broken Diablo with a personality and some C&C. I find it a terrible chore to replay Arcanum because of the combat. Not so with Fallout.

Fallout is eliminated due to combat being the worst part of all 3 games.

How so?

 

[Xor]

Well since Oblivion and Dungeon Siege aren't up there, it will have to be Arcanum.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

Fallout is eliminated due to combat being the worst part of all 3 games.

How so?

all 3 games did story and quest design much better than they did combat

fallout has "best of the worst" combat, while ps:t and arcanum have truly excellent story and quest design respectively.

 

[serch]

PST

 

[denizsi]

Fallout is eliminated due to combat being the worst part of all 3 games.

How so?

all 3 games did story and quest design much better than they did combat

fallout has "best of the worst" combat, while ps:t and arcanum have truly excellent story and quest design respectively.

I see.

 

[Crispy]

Now it appears that Torment and Arcanum have turned on each other, pulling each other's hair out! While Fallout continues to hold both down with its mighty boot!

Can Fallout be topped? There is no second place, folks! This is for it all, King Shit of RPG's!

Ooh the tension! My nipples are h.. sorry. VOTE!

 

[denizsi]

You should edit your OP and write that having played and finished all 3 at least once is a prerequisite to vote.

 

[Crispy]

You should edit your OP and write that having played and finished all 3 at least once is a prerequisite to vote.

Yeah, as well as not being a liar! No.

VOTE!

 

[racofer]

 

[Crispy]

(did I say to vote?)

 

[Fat Dragon]

 

[Gragt]

Well it does have the potential to be an interesting thread. Unfortunately it falls down into posts where people will prefer one simply because they haven't played the other, or will just let their preference get in the way.

Typical Codexity, then.

 

[Crispy]

You dare to challenge Democracy, sir? Damn you.

 

[racofer]

You dare to challenge Democracy, sir? Damn you.

*threatening glare*

 

[Reject_666_6]

PS:T is eliminated due to story being possible in any medium, and actually weakened due to being a game.

Bullshit. I'll give you that PS:T could easily have been designed as an adventure game and be just as good, if not better because then there would be no combat to criticise, but there's no way you could transpose that whole story into ANY other non-interactive medium. Have you read the novelization of the game? Terrible, horrible, banal shit boring. Make a film?

No. A play? Forsooth, oh nameless one! I'm afraid it's stuck as a computer game, which most people here would agree with and prefer over all the others.

 

[patton]

Planescape: Torment.

 

[Reject_666_6]

I vote Arcanum, by the way. Best RPG ever.

 

[racofer]

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

PUT IT AWAY! PUT IT AWAY!!!!!!

 

[Volourn]

"If it's not the best RPG ever made, it's one of the top 3."

No, it isn't. I remember a time where I had to defend ARC her eon the Codex, and now all of asudden it's some maste rgame? WTF?

ARC is a fantastic held from top 10 (let alone top 3) gloory due to some really major minuses. The fact that the game can't even decide if it is tb or rtsays everything. Very few memorial characters, a haphazard (but interesting) character system, and okayish writing. Very few (ie. less than a handful) of memorable characetrs or quests. Th eonly thing ARC has going for it over over other RPGs is the C&C, which while extremely important, is far from the sole dterminer of whether a game is fun or awesome.

Oh, also, it's title track is fuckin' awesome.

 

[thekdawg21]

Here's hoping there's a new addition to this thread once AOD comes out.

I'm going to re-try Arcanum right now because of this thread.

 

[SCO]

Propose racofer gets "brutalist savant" custom signature.

 

[Overweight Manatee]

I vote Fallout. Specifically Fallout 2. Arcanum was good the first time but I can't bear to trudge through the horrible combat problems again. PS:T is good for the story and atmosphere, after that there isn't much reason to play it again (though I have played it a second time). Fallout 2 has enough content that is well differentiated, enough places to explore, and unlike Arcanum the rest of the gameplay isn't so poor that I literally dread half of my path through the game.