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Take a look if you havent already , lots of mod which can make thoses games a lot nicer. PS:T have a few mods ( bug fix , unfinished business , the widescreen mod you were talking about ).
Might get your playthrough on different game more enjoyable.
 

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First post TL;DR mode - "Hey, Codex Fags, I don't agree with some things on your list, that around shitton of people vote about and I must tell you about it. Becouse it suck and your choices sucks too"

What the fuck is wrong with some people around.

Thanks God that you calm down later.

The other half have at least 100 hours played on Skyrim.

I myself played around 30 hours on clear Skyrim and almost 100 on mods. Mods save this game from begin totally medicore shit.
Phew - calmed down quite a bit. No longer ANGRY.

Vampire: The Mascarade - Bloodlines (2004) - Worth playing. Malkavian.
Dark Souls - Good game, but some people may don't like it. Taste.
Shadowrun - Dragonfall - Totally good game, many people had fun and it is good. And praised around.


Looking at these now - taken my eye. Considering the list above of what I liked and disliked - what do you guys think I should try next?


Elminage Gothic - never played.
Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel - MY GOD NO RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIVE.
Planescape: Torment (1999) - preety bad combat system, one of best stories ever make in computer games. One from a very few games where Charisma, Inteligence and Wisdom can actually be usefull in dialogues.
Fallout 2 (1998) - Canon of games.
Deus Ex (2000) - Again, canon of games.
Neverwinter Nights 2 - Skip OC, go to MotB. Have fun. You can also play NWN1 for player modules, they are awesome. Big part of them.
Papersorcerer - don't know.
Jagged Alliance 2 - Very good game, large amount of fun. Preety strategy game, on mods.
Darklands - Canon, cool game. Good luck finding these fucking dragons.
Mount & Blade: Warband - depends on your taste, mods may make it good. I suggest moddb and nexus.
 

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First post TL;DR mode - "Hey, Codex Fags, I don't agree with some things on your list, that around shitton of people vote about and I must tell you about it. Becouse it suck and your choices sucks too"

What the fuck is wrong with some people around.
Seems like a true Codexer, there's a shortage of those as of lately.
 

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Phew - calmed down quite a bit. No longer ANGRY.

For those who voted for AP or anyone that thinks its decent could you make the case for it - does it get better - what are the good bits coming down the line?

I found the Codex RPG list and treating it like a holy book. So far all the games I found here have been pretty good and well worth buying.

I spent a lot of time grouping all the Codex games in my Steam account and those not purchased onto a wishlist. Recently I made a choice between AP and Elminage Gothic - anyway...

Regards Wasteland 2, I saw an entry on wiki saying it was "Co-Developed and published by inXile Entertainment", my mistake.

Anyway - seriously - looking for advice - you guys know RPGs
To understand the list, one must understand things like the ages-old debate between storyfags and combatfags. Storyfags way outnumber combatfags. And then, there is a class of RPG (or is that "RPG") that is mostly like those old Choose-Your-Own-Adventure books, and it has its fans, and Alpha Protocol is like their Holy Grail. So, due to the methodology of the survey, any game with a few super-fans scored highly. (Which was part of the point of the survey, it was partly a measure of super-fandom.)

And no, AP does not get better. It is what it is all the way through. It just gets more explosive as time goes on. Similar tale with Bloodlines and Witcher.
 

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Most of the games you haven't tried yet should be tried by everyone at least once in their (gaming) life, or that (gaming) life isn't complete.

About The Witcher, i suggest you to hang on at least into the middle of the second Act. The Prologue and the first Act don't do this game much justice.
 

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I bought it when it first came out. Then tried to play it again a few years ago with a widescreen mod. Is there any way I can increase the size of the text?

Thanks for your response.

If memory serves, GhostDog's UI mod has 3 or 4 different font sizes that you can choose between during install.
 

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Thanks for the recommendations after I decided to post requesting help rather than being a bit offensive.

I was just venting as I wanted to be true to the codex list but somewhat naively learned I won't like every game on there. I want to be a true Codexian!

I am looking through the recommendations and even in my late old age I learn something about myself and the sort of games I like.

In the spirit of being true to myself - I may skip Planescape as I think I am not a story fag. The game engine was very similar to those in Baldur's Gate and I never got into that. So if I can't read they story and the combat ain't that good....

If I can fix the text size will give it another go as so many posts said it was a great game. (Thanks to Cynicus for the post on mods - thank you vey much).

Apart from Planescape - probably try these next -
Elminage Gothic - tried a bit already
Fallout 2 (1998) - tried a bit already

Jagged Alliance 2 - a question - have JA2 Gold and JA2 Wildfire - which one is best? Or Gold first then Wildfire?
 

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First post TL;DR mode - "Hey, Codex Fags, I don't agree with some things on your list, that around shitton of people vote about and I must tell you about it. Becouse it suck and your choices sucks too"

What the fuck is wrong with some people around.

What the fuck is wrong with you?


Lord Azlan
G1+G2 not on your list needs to be fixed.
Rest of the list are all games worth playing (I haven't played Elminage Gothic), maybe with the exception of Fallout Tactics. It's not bad, but only if you can't get enough of Fallout universe and you have already played JA2.
Witcher has its issues but it's worth playing. The combat and the mechanics grew on me.
 

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Jagged Alliance 2 Gold with 1.13 patch is the only valid answer to your question.

If you do this, read the mod documentations carefully and do two things: Disable Drassen counterattack with INI-editor and decrease (or remove) scopes' vision bonuses in XML-editor.

Drassen counterattack is too fking much for everyone. Scopes' vision bonuses makes the AI act retarded. Otherwise the mod is fantastic even with first playthrough.
 

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JA2 1.13 for first playthrough? :hahano:
It's just overkill.
Play the vanilla game first, it's polished and awesome and more balanced without any need to fiddle around in ini files too.

And then go play X-COM (the old one, not the remake) if you didn't already, tactical combat in that one is just as great as in JA2.
And then maybe X-COM Apocalypse. Some people say it's worse than its predecessors, but I loved the city simulation with infiltration spreading in a logical way and the mayhem of dogfights. RtwP combat was okay here too, the TB mode is just way too sluggish for maps as huge and full of nooks and crannies as the ones in this game.
Pure RPGs are overrated anyway. :M
 
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And then go play X-COM (the old one, not the remake) if you didn't already, tactical combat in that one is just as great as in JA2.
And then maybe X-COM Apocalypse.

And I would add to that Xenonauts, and then if you really feel like getting owned, terror from the deep.
 
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If you like combat, play Jagged Alliance 2 - the BEST, BAR NONE turn-based combat.

Silent Storm has better combat than JA2. It's not the most balanced game out of there, so modding it is recommended though. It lacks strategic aspects JA had but the combat itself is a direct evolution of what you could see in JA2, like somebody would look at that game and say - well guys, today we have much better technology, I think we can do something like that but better. So they've did Silent Storm.

You can fite my objectively superior opinion as much as you want but you and me know that I've won.

OP - you see, the list is imho. good but there are obvious flaws everywhere. For example storyfaggotry. Planescape sure has wonderful story, tons of C&C but FUCK this gay game - people play non-combat routes in it just to avoid terrible combat. It is a huge flaw and game like that doesn't deserve #1 on any list.
Arcanum on #5 is also misunderstanding, objectively speaking, same goes for Bloodlines at #6.
System Shock is somehow RPG but Thief isn't.
Alpha Protocol is the most glaring shitty pick possible. The game deserves to be in 60's on that list for great dialogue and C&C but if everything else sucked(core gameplay) or was mediocre at best(story) it's not something fit for place #29.
And so on and so on.

A lot of those deserve a place on that list but not that high. Others(Mount and Blade - for variety of reasons, but you'd have to make another thread for it) deserve much higher one.

The reason for it is the fact that it was a result of a poll. Poll made by people with very various tastes. Poll which result was distorted by hordes of Obsidrones, retardo children who's first RPG wasn't Oblivion, no, they're not some kind of casuals, their first RPG was glorious, inclined KotOR and Morrowind :prosper: and so on and so on.

I'd say that lurking helps with understanding the list. You'll get to know what kind of people visit this site which will help you filter that list for games you'll want to play.
 

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In the spirit of being true to myself - I may skip Planescape as I think I am not a story fag. The game engine was very similar to those in Baldur's Gate and I never got into that. So if I can't read they story and the combat ain't that good....

If I can fix the text size will give it another go as so many posts said it was a great game. (Thanks to Cynicus for the post on mods - thank you vey much).
Your Lordship, I'd definitely suggest persevering. As far as I'm concerned it's probably one of the greatest stories in gaming history. Not sure it's a great game. Perhaps watch a play-through when you finally get bored.

Plus, I liked Alpha Protocol. I didn't finish it but then I don't often finish games as I have such a short...
 

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Alpha BROtocol has more meaningful C&C than Witcher. But, yes, the combat in both games is pretty dire.
 

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So they aped Bioware again, only this time instead of improving the experience they failed worse than Bioware, a portent of things to come I must say.
http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/50232-the-mass-effect-comparisons-must-get-annoying/#entry871962
Patrick K Mills said:
If AP does well some other developer can wail and gnash their teeth that everything they are doing is being compared to Alpha Protocol. For now, that's our cross to bear. It's cool. ME did really well for good reason and the games do look similar in gameplay and graphics, so it's an easy point of reference.

I have a lot more fun shooting guys in our game than in ME, though. I hope that after we start doing hands-on previews that will be the next comparison: "It's a lot like ME except that combat is fun."

Mills hoisted by his own hubris. No one expected ME2. This is why Josh doesn't make such statements.
 

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Jagged Alliance 2 - a question - have JA2 Gold and JA2 Wildfire - which one is best? Or Gold first then Wildfire?
Wildfire is like a fan-edit of the vanilla game. Not kidding. (In fact, a lot of the 1.13 mod stuff comes from Wildfire). Wildfire is horribly unbalanced, unfair, and stacks hordes of enemies everywhere. For instance, you start off the vanilla game being dropped into a lightly defended zone, lets you get your feet wet. In Willdfire, you descend from the chopper into a nest of shotgunners.

But, Wildfire redid every map tile with a new design. So, for those who had done the vanilla map to death, Wildfire comes as a breath of fresh air. So, as a first-timer, go with Vanilla (the Gold version unmodded).

FYI: The 1.13 mod is only good on a first try if you're into gun porn for the sake of gun porn. The default settings of 1.13 totally break the game's AI and economy, and unless you know the game, when you start messing with the ini files to edit it to your liking, you'll activate a bunch of stuff that sounds neat that will break the game even more. 1.13 only really functions well as a challenging game when you've already played the game out and know exactly what you want from it. But it does function as gun porn really well.
 

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