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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Esquilax Arcane

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    How do you get at this? If the colony is blown to smithereens, then the fragments that reach Earth will burn up on re-entry to the atmosphere or fall into the sea. We want to blow the thing up before it reaches Earth. I don't understand, what would be your alternative?
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Simple, nothing that we have on board this ship will be able to create enough of a bang to fracture a 20km meteor (which is a big one) in tiny little pieces that will be vaporized in the atmosphere. Unless we have a couple of explosive devices with the firepower of a nuke, all this will manage is break up the colony into pieces not small enough to burn up, say 1-3km pieces, which are pretty bad by themselves, one of those can leave a crater about 25-40km in diameter (case in point, the Manson crater, apologies for such unsophisticated sources, but I work with what I have); now imagine that falling over the NSE. True, nowhere as bad as a twenty-kilometer one, but still a disaster, only many of them.

    What I'm saying is that we'll need some serious firepower to take this bastard down. Some repurposed missiles and energy cores won't really do the trick.
     
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  3. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    And I guess the point was to slow down the escorts, if they keep going, they will take heavy casualties (flying blind in a minefield) and thus leaving opening for Senya.

    [fake edit]: Actually the point was to act as a early warning system. If they enter the minefield, then they on a collision course with Earth and this gives us right to strike.
    [second fake edit]:
    Aren't their fleet just a peaceful escort of the colony?
     
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  4. I'm torn, bros.

    On the one hand I don't see how A could work unless we flipped our sister to our side - which may be possible...
    On the other, B sounds like we'd arrive too late to stop most of the damage anyway.

    I'm saying A for now. Risk everything - Ean style.
     
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  5. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    btw. treave, does this update have anything to do with 2012 DA14 or the Russian meteor? Or did you just come up with it and it happened to coincide with a RL event?
     
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  6. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    Nothing to do with real life. Why would it when you could've found out about the drop a couple weeks ago real time?

    I doubt the Kaguya-hime itself carries enough explosives to make a minefield that can stop them in their tracks, but every little bit helps.

    Still, we might want to leave the tactics for the next update once you get there and have a clearer picture of what you're dealing with, where you're making your stand, and what further options you have. Either way there'll be a mission briefing of some sort.

    As for gravity's pull finishing their job, that's why the operation is a tricky one. Jamming radar will also affect the nuke guidance systems. Once you do that any nukes are as much a danger to you as they are to the enemy if you want to be close enough to "spot" for them. We don't have authorisation to order one anyway.
     
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  8. Here's the thing I don't get: Why not just broadcast the enemy's intentions to the entire planet? Then demand that they reroute the ship. When they refuse, everyone will know, or at least suspect that they are going to drop it and cause a global nuclear winter. Hopefully that will lead to them nuking the colony before it starts dropping - or at least not blaming us for attacking. Also, I wonder if the UNS are in on this...
     
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  9. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I second Lambchop's question.
     
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  10. treave Arcane Patron

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    You could, but why would anyone listen? I mean, you're demanding an enemy faction reroute their entire escort based on the fact that you think they're going too close. In times of war. That might be a bit unreasonable. :lol: Being proved right after the fact might be little consolation. Or did you think they won't do it if someone calls them out on it, or if they might look like the bad guys?
     
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  11. Kipeci Magister

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    People are seriously going with A?

    Treave already stated that there is a chance for great glory with B, which means that if we play our cards right we will be able to prevent a considerable amount or all of the damage even with the delay. Going with B will also keep us from appearing like the massive assholes we would appear to be in A and keep us from pissing off the chain of command, which has the added bonus of us getting useful support in actually stopping this gigantic structure.

    A could save more people, maybe, depending on how things turn out, but aside from that variable it appears to be generally worse.
     
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  12. Whacky theory:
    I have a sneaking suspicion that A will allow us to meet up with Rei and flip her - letting us use our shatterpoint to attack and stop the colony from going into a lower orbit, while B will bring enough firepower to handle things on our own, but arrives too late to stop much of the damage.

    Thing is, Rei was in a hurry to leave. I'm betting that she's there right now. If we get there ahead of time we can convince her to team up and stop this madness.
     
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  13. Well, I have a hard time believing that most of the UNS (and the Dunamis) - who shouldn't be cultified, would go along with it without some sort of fuss. But I guess they are, since the UNS is part of the escort. Any chance that the UNS escort isn't in on it? Pretty crazy to cause a nuclear winter when your side is holding it's own pretty well, if not outright winning.
     
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  14. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Here's the thing, B doesn't play to Senya's strengths. So far, we've built up a character who's brilliant at tactics, improvisation and guerrilla warfare and all of these things will be best utilized in A. Think Ean during his assassination campaign to regain power: quick, cunning and creative, but not so good on the raw power aspect, hence his need to maneuver and improvise; I'm just thinking that going B here will end up like going to Egypt dd in chapter five: we waste valuable time that could be spent setting up Marduk in Greece (or in our case, scouting and setting up the battlefield for Hackett's Fifth Fleet:troll:); and we finally arrive at Olympus, we won't have the brute force to beat down both Marduk and Zeus, so we will have to compromise and come up with shit at the last possible second and out come the Terrasphagos (or in our case, muscle through two fleets' worth of firepower to somehow take down a twenty kilometer space station). Because, like Ean, right now we have all the smarts and improvisation skills we need. What we don't have is brute force.
    As I see it, it's not about the enemy so much as it is for "I told you so" when everyone and their grandma will think of giving us flack in regards to this whole operation. That, and for Rei: I can't imagine she'll be personally comfortable with her big brother (Imouto means little sister, right?) calling out her side in a live broadcast across the whole world, maybe will even inspire even more turmoil and hand-wringing within her (side note: and here I thought Senya was a deluded fool living in a glass world), making her easier to convert. Although this is a longshot and assumptions.
     
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  15. treave Arcane Patron

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    You could say that they know the Empire's industrial capacity would turn the tide against them once the technological gap is closed. Perhaps they want to force a swift surrender by taking out Africa, or the capital.

    War doesn't always produce rational actors, and you don't know that the UNS high command isn't cultified. The cult is pretty popular there, Indus and in Higashi.

    Getting flack for the operation would be the last thing I would be worried about right now if I were you guys.
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I'm looking forward to hearing Senya honestly answer why he did what he did. Because coming from a guy that prevented an assassination of the Emperor by going up against hopeless odds and nearly dying, saved an ISC prototype, learned to fly said prototype, performed daring behind-the-line raids, stood up to the greatest ace of the current time and flipped off the Empress not once, but twice, and will probably pull some borderline suicidal shit to save the planet, this:
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    is a lame-ass excuse. Just sayin'.
    Edit: that, or straight-up Kay-oss.
     
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  17. Kipeci Magister

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    Senya's great with that stuff and all, but 'tactics' and 'guerilla warfare' don't go too far in blowing up a twenty km ship, at least not by this late in the game. You said it yourself; what we don't have is brute force, despite our brains and improvisation. B is the option that will get us the military support we need.
     
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  18. Baltika9 Arcane

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    What I'm saying here is that we're better off exercising our Tactical Genius (TM) to scout out the enemy, set up the battlefield and then call in a whole fleet's worth of ordnance on these fuckers.

    That, and we'll be able to take the initiative on any other convenient openings we can find. Like Rei.
     
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  19. aleam iacis Scholar

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    I would like A as long as we use our early advantage to:
    Turn Rei and her forces
    Find a way to set up the battlefield to our advantage, maybe reposition asteroids or satellites/orbital debris somehow? set up jury rigged kinetic weapons using such debris?
    Set it up so Senya gets the max amount of credit as a tactictian/strategist/pilot/hero/future emperor (both should be easy if Rei turns and explains the Higashi/UNS plan)
    Set it up to take advantage of Langorn's forces coming to our aid
     
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  20. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    Hmm... Wouldn't our shielding technology protect us from the harm of radiation?
     
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  21. treave Arcane Patron

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    Up to you guys to set it up, if A wins. I'll give choices. It'll be like defending Tjaru all over again, only instead of a psychic tower you're staring down a 20-km megalith!

    edit: It protects the electronics from some frequency of radiation, but that doesn't mean you're nuke-proof. It'll still vaporize whatever's in the effective radius of the energy released... I think probably about a few hundred meters per nuke if it's entirely in vacuum. Bear in mind that spotting for the nuke doesn't mean the enemy can't shoot it down. The missile isn't going to dodge like a fighter craft.
     
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  22. Kipeci Magister

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    Surely, this will be no problem! The Codex is well-known for its skills in planning ahead. :troll:
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Well, I suppose it is Senya's duty to surpass his predecessor and prove himself worthy of Ean's legacy.:salute:That and Shulgi Prime's approval.
    Speaking of Ean and Tjaru, how far into the text adventure did Senya get?
     
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  24. treave Arcane Patron

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    He's currently near the end of Tjaru, at Nabu's ultimatum.
     
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  25. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Wait, can't we just surf the nukes into the asteroid?
    :lol:
    Wow, what a coincidence.
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    Surely this is intentional?
     
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