Game News Mass Effect Universe better than Lightsabers+Jedi Powers?

[GreyViper]

Mind you when it was released I think it was suposed to be console only and popamole trend starteted growing.

 

[Sergiu64]

The article is shit, but I could partially agree with the thread title idea. The setting presented in ME was quite rich and much less kitschy- looking than SW universe (inb4 KOTOR rip-off with cosmetic changes)... as for 1-shoot popamole with RPG elements, which was ME1 in 2006.

I agree with that. Definitely had the opinion that ME universe was more impressive then SW one when I was playing the first ME. They've gone downhill from there though, so I'm not quite sure anymore. Maybe this says something about just making a single story and then just letting it dangle like that. The Matix would have remained super cool without Matrix 2 and 3. Probably what makes masterpieces like Bladerunner so great too. They came, gave us a glimpse and an amazing world that we don't get a full picture about and then it ends and leaves the rest to your imagination.

 

[TNO]

Damn it, in Mass Effect 1 just to defeat a single, lone reaper it took a huge fleet from both aliens races and humanity AND attacking the reaper while it was busy taking over the citadel controls. How could Shepard, in ME3, have enough time to save the earth when a FLEET of reapers have already landed ? it should have ended right in the intro, with the Normandy getting shred to 1 milimeters pieces as soon as it tries to flee back to space. The original Normandy was defeated by a lesser enemy in the intro of mass effect 2 !
This is the worst case of retcon by bioware, ever. Because tbh I think that the original ME setting had potential. The execution was crappy (no sense of urgency, cloned, identical environments in most sidequests/planets apart from the main quest, shitty characters) but the setting wasn't all that bad. At least compared to other mainstream shit like Star Wars, which is basically fantasy in space. Fuck jedis, and fuck the force.

The setting in ME is competently done, even though it is all highly derivative. The problem is Bioware still hasn't managed to ever successfully plot a main narrative arc in the universe.

ME1 just about chugged along in comfortable B-movie implausibility (why did the space squid lose its shields when sheperd defeated cyber-Saren? Who cares! etc.) But it had stupid antagonists in both Saren and the Reapers.

ME2 had lots of very well done characterization, scene building and stuff like that regarding your NPCs (bit angst battaliony, but w/e), but again the plot made no sense, from Sheperd's body surviving an impact onto a planet, to the stupid cookie cutter villain of the week collectors, to the stupid human-reaper climax.

ME1 just about passed because you could just about let the plot get a pass. ME2 passed because you ignored the main plot (which was just treading water), and looked at the (much better written) side-material. However, I'm pretty sure almost all ME3s material is going to be intimately linked with the now completely furbared plot (I too wonder how exactly a galaxy that almost lot to one reaper + cronies, and how the game kept telling you "you must stop the reapers coming or we all die!" will somehow prevail against hundreds of reapers, and I'm sure there will be worse implausibilities to come), and you won't get many pretty side-quests because you really need to save the galaxy etc. So ME3 might just sink under its own plot. I look forward to reviewing it.

 

[jcd]

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[VentilatorOfDoom]

I'm sure you figure it out eventually.

 

[TheEntitledOne]

You know an alien invasion that made more sense than this one? Mars Attacks. Even the random destruction of monuments...

 

[Vault Dweller]

From Ashes - 628MB Day 1 DLC for $10

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9382439
http://www.gameranx.com/features/id...ss-effect-3-strips-core-content-for-paid-dlc/

"It confirms that BioWare is bucking the trend it set with Dragon Age and followed up with its sequel and Mass Effect 2 by making the content a separate purchase for anyone who picks up the standard (non-Collector's or Digital Deluxe) edition of Mass Effect 3.

Previously in Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age, the only in-game content associated with the Collector's Editions were additional armor and weaponry. As I mentioned earlier, content as large as the DLCs including Zaeed and Shale were always included free of charge. Dragon Age 2 went a small step further, by restricting The Exiled Prince DLC to "Signature" copies of the game, which all pre-orders were upgraded to.

This has changed.

With Mass Effect 3, we now have to pay for content that's been developed concurrently with the rest of the game, but released separately for extra profit—and to make the Collector's Edition look more attractive to buyers.

It's understandable for DLC to be released separately and sold for an additional cost when they're developed as extensions to a pre-existing game or as 'added value items' impertinent to the core experience. However, it's unacceptable for core elements (in my very subjective opinion, this content has been vital in the past) of the game to be stripped out of the main game just so they can be sold separately for an extra price.

To draw an analogy, it's like selling a watch with one hand missing."

 

[jcd]

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[Ion Prothon II]

Expansion packs were once serious business and usually included a lot of shit, unlike modern DLC approach. Moreover, 100 years ago it was quite uncommon to fragment the final product to little pieces and to sell them in parallel with standard release.

 

[jcd]

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[Jack]

From Ashes - 628MB Day 1 DLC for $10

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9382439
http://www.gameranx.com/features/id...ss-effect-3-strips-core-content-for-paid-dlc/"

That stuff is old news, really old. Why is there such a fuzz about it now?

You weren't as grumpy back when DLCs were called 'expansion packs'.

Is that supposed to be funny or something?

 

[Kz3r0]

You weren't as grumpy back when DLCs were called 'expansion packs'.

Retarded biodrone or astroturfer?

 

[jcd]

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[Kz3r0]

What's wrong? Suddenly it's wrong to have a different opinion? Why don't you go ahead and 'end of line' me?

Yeah, let's all enjoy a future where games will become as F2P MMOs, except that the client will cost 60 bucks.



Also:

DING DONG BANNU MTHAFUCKA, DING DONG BANNU.

 

[Ion Prothon II]

You weren't as grumpy back when DLCs were called 'expansion packs'.

Retarded biodrone or astroturfer?

What's wrong? Suddenly it's wrong to have a different opinion? Why don't you go ahead and 'end of line' me?

DING DONG BANNU END OF THE RINE
THE RINE ENDS HERE
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Nah, but seriously. It's not that you have a different opinion, but that you are just wrong. DLCs and especially DLCs in biowarian business model have nothing to do with expansion packs.

 

[DraQ]

Tags: BioWare; Mass Effect; Mass Effect 2; Mass Effect 3

Learn, over at a site called PopBioEthics, why the Mass Effect universe is better than StarTrek, StarWars and the Dune Universe combined. Also, this other universe, with the foundation and Hari Seldon and in the end it was the robots who planned this all the time. Anyway, apparently the Mass Effect universe is more important than any of those.

Mass Effect’s deep decision-making system is finely tuned to draw out realistic responses from players. During an interview I had with Daniel Erickson, lead writer for Star Wars: The Old Republic, he revealed two key elements of BioWare’s process that makes their games ideal for ethical exploration. The first is that quality voice acting triggers complex emotional responses in players. The second is that allowing players to choose their next line in conversation based on emotion, not the precise words written down, creates a huge level of investment by the player in the main character.

Jesus, this Erickson dude is a fucking genius.

I’m not saying that Mass Effect provides any answers. The value of Mass Effect as a science fiction universe is that it is a critical starting point for discussion about the purpose of humanity in a materialistic universe. Without an answer to that question, there is no real reason for Ender to defeat the Buggers, or for humanity to seek out new life and new civilizations, or for us to not let non-organic life be the torch bearer for intelligence in the universe. Mass Effect confronts us with a female hero of our own creating, with the deepest implications of diversity, with the most dramatic questioning of the value of what it means to be human. Whether you are a feminist, a transhumanist, a theologist, a proponent of space exploration, a pacifist, a human exceptionalist, a bioethicist, a scientist, or a philosopher, Mass Effect demands you rethink your world.

No punishment other than than having the entire Ringworld driven up his ass is harsh enough for this 'tard.
Driven sideways.

Fucking human derper. I wonder if he has 3 eyes.

 

[Pegultagol]

Star Wars and Mass Effect compete more on quantity than quality, and SW dwarfs that of the ME. It is just that with the third chapter to this epic saga impending, the possibilities alone of what may transpire is what drives up its MAJESTIC prestige. I'm reading Dune right now and even in its first chapter, I find what I read more original and consistently interesting than what the derivative ME could even hope to come up with. I find what is contained within Star Control 2 more interesting than Mass Effect regurgitation of all popular preceding SF tropes.

 

[Vault Dweller]

You weren't as grumpy back when DLCs were called 'expansion packs'.

Some DLCs are expansions packs, some are cash grabs. There is a difference between a proper expansion, developed after a game is released, extending the story, and improving gameplay based on the feedback received (like Deus Ex DLC did, for example) and a quest removed from the game to be sold separately.

 

[Hellraiser]

Exactly, this isn't an add-on of old that got released months if not years after the "vanilla" game adding new content because the/publisher decided they want to add new content they did not have time to add before the game was released. This is basically another attempt at nickel-and-diming by luring the sheeple into buying content that was developed concurrently with the rest of the game but the developer/publisher decided "hey this shit is so good we should charge extra for it!" and cut it out of the main game releasing it as a standalone product.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Expansion packs were once serious business and usually included a lot of shit, unlike modern DLC approach.

VD actually complains about DLCs having too much content. I realize that back then expansion packs/DLCs weren't released on day 1, but what would change if they were?

No he's not. The size of the Day-1 DLC just makes it painfully obvious to everyone that it was developed tandem with rest of the game and not during the 1-month period between mastering gold and opening day. That content should be in the game, end of story. This is just what some people predicted when DLCs were first coming around and fucking retards like you told us to relax: "Nuh-uh, it's just horse armour, cosmetic little stuff, no worries!"

For example: Baldur's Gate was released on 30th November 1998. As it was successful, Bioware wanted to cash-in with the popularity - but BG2 would take two years to finish (26th September 2000) so an expansion pack, using mostly old art assets, was done which introduced few new weapons, raised the level cap and brought in couple of new areas and quests, plus improved the GUI slightly. Even though it recycled much, it still took Bioware until 30th April 1999 to release it - four months of work. Similarly, ToB followed BG2 in 21st June 2001 - nine months later, though it's probably the largest expansion pack I can think of.

Publishers just noticed that it's simpler and more profitable to fleece customers with many small investments than few large ones. Thanks to idiots like you, it works.

 

[Vault Dweller]

And Durlag's tower was a pretty cool expansion, probably better than the original game and well worth the money.

 

[commie]

You weren't as grumpy back when DLCs were called 'expansion packs'.

Is that supposed to be funny or something?

You weren't as grumpy back when DLCs were called 'expansion packs'.

Retarded biodrone or astroturfer?

What's wrong? Suddenly it's wrong to have a different opinion? Why don't you go ahead and 'end of line' me?

Joined:Jan 4, 2012

Suddenly it all makes sense.

 

[DraQ]

What's wrong? Suddenly it's wrong to have a different opinion?

No but it's wrong to be retarded and you are retarded.

 

[jcd]

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[Vault Dweller]

I think it's too early to judge whether the mentioned DLC is a cash grab or not.

It's not. Something that was made during the development of the game but is being sold separately IS a fucking cash grab, plain and simple. Is there a reason why this adventure isn't a part of the game? Other than "we can sell it for moar money"?

Mind you, I don't care about Mass Effect 3 and I'm not planning to buy it (after trying the demo), so there are no emotions here. It's a purely philosophical debate. Bio can claim that the DLC was done later and by a different team, but it was planned well in advance, the concept art was done in advance and made it into the art book, etc.

I just wanted to point out, that if they released it some months later, nothing would effectively change.

We aren't talking about the release date. We are talking about splitting the team to develop some DLC content, which, in a nutshell, is the main title's content, set aside to be sold separately.

Let's say game X costs $50. Now the developers can either add DLC Y permanently, and the marketing department calculates this move would change the game's price to $60, or they can release the game at its basic price, and release DLC Y as a separate product at day 1, costing $10. Which is better and why?

Nice fallacy there.

The price of a new game depends on the production values and hype, not on the amount of content. That's exactly why the Day 1 DLC bullshit is possible - it's too fucking easy to cut some content and sell it for a few extra bucks.