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Review MCA Wades in to the Wake of the Fallout TV Show

masterridley2

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It's cathartic to hear him say this because it's the fairly uncomfortable opinion I've come to over the years as well. If there'd been no Fo2 in 1998 and Bethesda had come out with their own "Fallout 2" in 2008 which was identical to Fo2 in every way except for being in Gamebryo, people would have rightly ripped the writing, setting, locations, and inane tone to shreds, and called it an insult to Fo1. To borrow Avellone's own term from this review, "entertaining but not good" sums it up.
I think you're touching a point here, I for one am ready to except zaniness of F2 to some extent because how it's represented and the tech used - isometric 3rd person pov with pre-rendered backgrounds. To give an example, the Elvis impersonator club in FNV is an absolute bore and actually irks me, whereas I believe it might had been somewhat amusing in F1/f2 engine. Actually Mafia in New Reno feels far less out of place than Omertas or whatever they were called in FNV.

What I'm saying, you can't separate writing from the overall representation and tech/medium (engine) used - that is to say 'identical to Fo2 in every way except for being in Gamebryo' is actually very much different.
Great post, I feel the same way. I imagine that if F2 was in gamebryo, the cows saying "Moo. Moo I say!" would feel reaally weird.

Also, we'd probably have many Moira-like characters in some of the zaniest locations which would be awful (I never played past tenpenny and ghoul Moira, couldn't take the retardation. I don't know how you guys did it)

Luckily the few F2 talking heads were mostly serious if I remember correctly.

As for the ghost in the den, it's exactly the lack of voice and isometric that made it feel like it was a personal Easter egg between the dev and me. I never took it to mean "oh now I guess fallout world also has ghosts".
 

masterridley2

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The show was okay. Walton Goggins is the main reason to check it out, he steals the entire show. The vault dweller chick is fine and, to the show's credit, they manage to avoid girlbossing; she really is just a naïve, sheltered dummy getting by on her positive attitude and her charisma. If anything, be thankful they cast a moderately attractive woman in the role instead of forcing us to watch an ugly goofball'd-face trainwreck like they did for The Last of Us. That poor girl's mug looks like soft-boiled potatoes squeezed into a lumpy woolen sock.

Maximus is a dumb retard of a character and their characterization of the BoS is just a lazy, shitlib metaphor for Christianity that they can feel free to make fun of. Every post-apocalyptic show or movie has to have this now, and everyone thinks they are edgy for doing it. It also has all the dumb, modern, progressive tropes that are on-message (interracial family! comments about the environment! communists saying Correct Things about Capitalism!).

The ending -- where a bunch of "tycoons" are sitting around debating whether ending the world is good for business -- is just more anti-Capitalist shit-libbery, propagated by writers too stupid to understand that nobody would ever talk this way. Also, I don't think they are actually going to go with this, as a plot point. I think they are going to keep it ambiguous for the entire show, and we will never know who actually dropped the bombs, because muh media literacy. Also, I don't think it would make much sense since Walton's character is out with his kid when the bombs drop and if his wife really was a big-wig at Vault-Tec, why would she allow that?

Anyway, watch it for the Ghoul's one-liners, that's pretty much it.
Amazing, you articulated everything wrong with the show. I would add that it doesn't make a lick of sense on the characters' side either.

That Moldaver bitch keeps Lucy's mother as a ghoul for so many years. Why?? Because they want to show us she is such a Good Person, a Savior. (I think I remember some lesbian vibes in the flashbacks too, ofc).

But then that same psycho killed half of Vault 33, instead of say kidnapping Hank. Did they expect us to forget this? She would have no problem mercy killing her.

Then you have Lucy who idolizes her father. You would expect her to be stunned and crying and saying why dad why, but nope, she's pretty much "kill the fucker" 10 minutes later.

It doesn't help they they give Hank the most atrocious defence for his actions. As if no writer could bear to write the bad guys in a believable manner. The only way I could make them more evil is have them rubbing their hands and twisting their mustaches.

100% Maximus is the worst character, an irredeemable douchebag who the writers probably think is justified in everything he does, because in their minds he's a Modern Oppressed Black Man.

The Ghoul is the only guy who's realistic, he's exactly what I would expect to become after 200 years of this shit, some of them kept in a grave. And he has believable traces of good in him.

Which is why I agree with your last line and the only episodes I found semi-enjoyable were precisely those focused on Coop. They felt a bit more fallout-y too
 

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In their minds, any example of that equals "capitalism", and if they don't like the company then it means "capitalism is bad". It's non-conceptual emotionalism in place of actual reasoning.
This is probably the most concise, accurate way of putting it because their takes and actions are absolutely devoid of critical reasoning. I mentioned this in another thread, but look at "gaming journalists". They're all very, very left. Yet, when was the last time you saw any of them push independent developers? You know, the little guys? Instead, they will absolutely shill games made by the biggest companies out there particularly when they do things gamers don't like like you've seen with Assassin's Creed Shadows. Gamers also being "the little guys", by the way. Then, because they piss off their revenue base, their site gets sold off or shut down, and that's capitalism's fault.

You look at Antifa when they go decide to do their rioting stuff, they'll go on Amazon and purchase a bunch of rioty stuff, like airsoft armor and other things, and when they're not burning cop cars or something similar, they're smashing windows and vandalizing small businesses.
Granted 4 and 76 are when the series gets openly pro communism but these people think it was always this way.
Fallout 4 isn't even a good example of "pro communism" since The Institute isn't a corporation. It was a college. A very liberal one in a very liberal area. And they use this as an example of slave masters complete with a counter faction named after an antislavery faction in history, which isn't even subtle.
So long as they think Fallout is the hecking wokest progmarxist game ever created they'll put up with anything and clap for all the truly wretched and worthless shit the IP holders keep throwing at them.
It's even more interesting that they'd think this because up until the TV Show, and ignoring the stupid aliens DLC for Fallout 3, it was a war between governments. Vault-Tec was never an evil corporation up until the TV show. They just made vaults and vault related accessories like the GECK. And it makes little sense why they'd make the GECK and put them in every vault if the point wasn't to continue the existence of humanity.
And since Cain pulled a Stalin level rewrite and said the show's totally aligned with canon and he always meant it to be a socialist game and he always meant for ghouls to be zombies who need an antidote to live that means it's good. Take that you media illiterate chuds.
Which honestly boils down to it being anti-capitalist because my teachers and professors told me that capitalism is bad, and I like it, so it must also be saying capitalism is bad.
Great post, I feel the same way. I imagine that if F2 was in gamebryo, the cows saying "Moo. Moo I say!" would feel reaally weird.
I don't get why people don't understand that this is an Easter Egg. I'm pretty sure it was a reference to Diablo's rumored "cow level".
But then that same psycho killed half of Vault 33, instead of say kidnapping Hank. Did they expect us to forget this? She would have no problem mercy killing her.
Also, why did she go in to Vault 32? The people were already dead, supposedly, but if the plan is to kidnap Hank, why not just go to Vault 33? What would she have done with the the people in Vault 32 if they weren't dead?
Then you have Lucy who idolizes her father. You would expect her to be stunned and crying and saying why dad why, but nope, she's pretty much "kill the fucker" 10 minutes later.
That's because the writers think they've managed to vilify character to enough of a degree to justify the negative outcomes they want to write. The TV show is full of this, and it almost never works. The ironic thing about all this is that I think the squire that they sent Maximus is probably one of the most sympathic characters, but you damned well know that wasn't their intent. Throughout the run of the show, you can see what they're going for with what they're expecting you to feel, but they almost never land that mark.
It doesn't help they they give Hank the most atrocious defence for his actions. As if no writer could bear to write the bad guys in a believable manner. The only way I could make them more evil is have them rubbing their hands and twisting their mustaches.
Not only that, but how the Hell is Hank going to justify his actions to his superiors? He nuked an entire town to get back at his wife. You don't think that all those "managers" at Vault-Tec don't know how many nuclear bombs they have? You don't think the sudden rise in radiation in the area wasn't logged by the vault's sensors? Hank was a middle manager, which was established in the TV Show. This isn't a case of "It's better to ask forgiveness than ask permission." I sincerely doubt he had the authority to just nuke a town.

It's just such a stupid reason for getting rid of the NCR.
 

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