Most Hated Person in the CRPG Industry

[Mele ~ on Grayza]

*Putting everyone who mentions Molyneux on the dumbfuck list*

 

[Avu]

Todd's only competition is Herve but nobody's taking him seriously anymore.

 

[Hobo Elf]

HOWEVER, we all do know about Molyneux's glorious past, and how he once helped incline the gaming scene. BUT, no one followed in his footsteps. There was not a clone of Populous. There was not a clone of Dungeon Keeper. There was not a clone of Syndicate. Those ideas were born and died with Molyneux. They didn't create a legacy. They are now merely footnotes.

No one is trying to copy Fable's success either. He isn't influencing anyone with it. It's just two bad cRPGs in the long list of crap. A minor contribution to the decline compared to others. I'd be more worried with BioWare and Bethesda since they actually influence other studios with their crap. And they don't have the balls to try anything new, either.
Fable at least tried to be different (but turned out to be a barbie simu).

 

[DriacKin]

HOWEVER, we all do know about Molyneux's glorious past, and how he once helped incline the gaming scene. BUT, no one followed in his footsteps. There was not a clone of Populous. There was not a clone of Dungeon Keeper. There was not a clone of Syndicate. Those ideas were born and died with Molyneux. They didn't create a legacy. They are now merely footnotes.

No one is trying to copy Fable's success either. He isn't influencing anyone with it. It's just two bad cRPGs in the long list of crap. A minor contribution to the decline compared to others. I'd be more worried with BioWare and Bethesda since they actually influence other studios with their crap. And they don't have the balls to try anything new, either.
Fable at least tried to be different (but turned out to be a barbie simu).

Fable tried to be different? WTF? Where? When? What the fuck about it was anything but completely generic bullshit?

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

The whole "watch your character grow the fuck up" bit was "different" (correct me if i'm wrong), but the execution sucked.

 

[Crispy]

I wonder if Richard Garriott should be considered. I realize that his positive contributions to the industry almost from its inception should probably render his status as almost immune from any hatred, but also being the one who bears the most responsibility for the monstrosity that was Ultima IX he is certainly not above serious reproach.

I remember that Ascension really was the first true travesty of the CRPG industry. It was so bad that I immediately wanted to return it, and it seemed to undo a lot of the love and respect that I had for the entire Ultima franchise up until that point. It was just one of those "WTF were they thinking?" moments.

 

[JarlFrank]

Herve Caen.

 

[MetalCraze]

Pfft. Herve is pretty much nobody and keeps quiet.

Unlike Todd Howard, Pete Hines and of course Moulineux. And then we have Bioware "doctors".

 

[bhlaab]

I'm gonna go against the grain and say Pete Hines, just because he's such a transparent walk-the-company-line PR douchebag who has no problem outright lying to the public.

 

[sah]

The grandest douchebags of them all are sticking to the shadows, holding onto their executive positions and making things happen without anyone knowing their names.

 

[Iago42]

Todd, but mostly because his face is perpetually offset and no amount of Photoshop can fix it.

Hell, try to put his face in a photo to 3d program like facegen and it will crash.

 

[Deadeye Dragoon]

My pick--Herve Caen

apprently the answer is Todd Howard though. Meh, I think he's just a bump on the radar. Caen's crimes were/are much worse in the long run.

 

[Lurkar]

I'm going to have to go with the Bioware "doctors" over Bethesda. Fallout 3 was an improvement over Oblivion and at least tried bringing back some staples of older gamers (needing a certain score in lockpicking to get through doors, stats making a difference in conversations). I won't say how well they did it, but fuck, at least it's some level of progression.

Bioware just gets worse and worse.

 

[Baley]

Whatever happened to Chuck Cuevas?

 

[Scruffy]

Fallout 3 was an improvement over Oblivion

yeah, but again... i mean, you understand what you are saying there, right?

 

[Brother None]

Whatever happened to Chuck Cuevas?

He went to Sammy/High Moon studios after Interplay fell apart. Was a producer on Darkwatch, as far as I know he's still there, though he wasn't in the Bourne Conspiracy game's credits.

For some reason he's in the "special thanks to" list of World in Conflict. Whatever that means. Perhaps he showed them how not to make games.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Molyneaux is a clown and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone with half a brain. What do you expect?

Howard on the other hand - I think he honestly hates RPGs and his goal seems to be to dumb them down and dillute them for the munchkins. But he's setting the standard for an entire generation of dumbfucks who don't know what an RPG is. And the standards keep getting lower and lower.

 

[poocolator]

Is it just me or is this guy the prime example of dam fugly face? It creeps the hell out of me.

He has the Innsmouth look

Mattresses++

 

[Chefe]

HOWEVER, we all do know about Molyneux's glorious past, and how he once helped incline the gaming scene. BUT, no one followed in his footsteps. There was not a clone of Populous. There was not a clone of Dungeon Keeper. There was not a clone of Syndicate. Those ideas were born and died with Molyneux. They didn't create a legacy. They are now merely footnotes.

No one is trying to copy Fable's success either. He isn't influencing anyone with it. It's just two bad cRPGs in the long list of crap. A minor contribution to the decline compared to others. I'd be more worried with BioWare and Bethesda since they actually influence other studios with their crap. And they don't have the balls to try anything new, either.
Fable at least tried to be different (but turned out to be a barbie simu).

Not influencing anyone? Gimmicky crap, over the top hype (read: blatant lies) that's quickly brushed under the rug, minigames galore, et cetera ad infinitum. Fable was released in 2004 - the same time the decline in gaming started. In the RPG world, two things happened that spring directly to mind (there are others). Bethesda started work on Oblivion in 2004 (Morrowind and Fable had big versus threads on many forums, especially before the release of Fable). Troika went out of business in 2005. And that's just how we were affected. Look at the quality of games before and after 2004 (especially with things like gimmicks and minigames) and tell me that Fable didn't have an impact. Fuck, look at the way hype was handled before and after Black and White, and before and after Fable, where it got worse. Making it alright for developers to flat out lie* is enough to condemn that cockney Bastard, everything else is just piss icing on the shit cake. Black and White and Half-Life were release within a year or two of each other, and, damn, it's such a distinction that I remember it vividly. Half-Life was hyped heavy, but it all turned out to be true, just like other games (and the games that did happen to lie were blasted in the mags and scored low). I didn't really like Half-Life, but everything I had heard was pretty much how it was.

If you're going to throw up the "didn't influence anyone" line, then Bethesda is a better candidate. No one copied Arena. Battlespire, Redguard... nothing (well, Redguard came out at the tail end of the adventure game era, but it really had some novel concepts). Daggerfall and Morrowind sure as hell didn't have any clone successors. Oblivion has.................. Two Worlds? Kind of.



*In an interesting anecdote, there was an interview somewhere with some old Bethesda dev, who said they were really scolded by retail chains after changing Arena from a gladiatorial sim (what they told everyone it was - hence the name) to a freeform RPG. For their next game they had to really impress or else risk being expelled from outlets.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Shostakovich once said about his seventh symphony, nicknamed "Leningrad" (which was performed during Word War 2) the following: "It's about the Leningrad that Stalin destroyed and Hitler merely finished off."

Now replace "Leningrad" with "Fallout francise," "Hitler" with "Todd Howard," and "Stalin" with "Herve Cain."

There you go.

I know, it's a strange analogy.

 

[Ch1ef]

Todd for sure. People who vote Petey are insane and newfags. Sure, he shat on the RPG genre with Fable. I don't like people taking a piss on the genre, but everyone is doing that now, so.
On the other hand, Molyneux did grace us with Dungeon Keeper, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Populous and Theme Park.

Plus Fable has a certain fun charm to it even if it's complete wank as a game. There is nothing charming or fun about Oblibion or Failout 3.

+1

 

[Lim-Lim]

Off Topic:

I was reminded of this video while reading the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXn8WKpYaA

 

[Claw]

Tough call, they are pretty much all douchebags. My gut says it's the Toddler, though. You just can't go anywhere without someone finding a way to praise the shit outta Oblivion or Fallout 3. Even people I like otherwise. It's like fucking AIDS.

I want to give a honourable mention to David Gaider, though.

I'm gonna go against the grain and say Pete Hines, just because he's such a transparent walk-the-company-line PR douchebag who has no problem outright lying to the public.

Well, he is working in marketing.

 

[Wyrmlord]

Shostakovich once said about his seventh symphony, nicknamed "Leningrad" (which was performed during Word War 2) the following: "It's about the Leningrad that Stalin destroyed and Hitler merely finished off."

Now replace "Leningrad" with "Fallout francise," "Hitler" with "Todd Howard," and "Stalin" with "Herve Cain."

There you go.

I know, it's a strange analogy.

It's not a bad analogy at all.

 

[JarlFrank]